Validity of the Noble Quran

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Once again Dan, top post, thanks.

<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b>Bismillah</b>

I stated in that lengthy post that no country is implementing the laws of Islam.  On that note, you MUST disregard the actions of those who say they are doing such when they are not.  Any scholar of Islam will say this, unless they are currently employed by said regimes.

Also Iran is not a good example to use.  Shi'ite and Sunni are not the same.  There are major differences to the point they they have split into different sects.  If I know anything about Shi'ite law, then I would be shocked.  Seriously though, I have no background in that sect.  If they think they are implementing shariah, then may Allah Guide them.

I would have thought Iran was a perfect example, Iran is an Islamic republic no ? So how do you feel about the stoning to death of women in Iran then ?

<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b></b>

The Messenger of Allah was engaged to a six year old but did not marry her that young.  In fact a previous engagement had to be disolved first.  This practice is not unheard of.  Islam was also the one that allowed the women for the first time in that society to decline marriage to someone they did not want to marry.

You declined to respond to whether this behaviour is appropriate now though ? Islam also dictates that women are not as valued as much as men in other areas regarding inheritence, bearing witness, leaving the house without a male relative etc.

Hey, progress was made, but it I feel it fell just a wee bit short. In my opinion, women are equal to men.

<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b></b>

Slaves were owned by Rasul-Ullah.  In fact he also freed them.  One slave boy he took as a son or ward.  Islam does not condone slavery.  In fact it is a process of eliminating it.  The rewards for freeing slaves are innumerable.  It is highly encouraged.  Now there is no slavery in Arabia whereas it is still practiced in many Asian countries.  On the other hand, in the United States, people were forced to give up their slaves and the bloodiest war the US has ever seen erupted.

The American Civil war was about more than slavery. Slavery still exists in some Northern African countries also and that should be stopped. I think there is a thriving "sex trade" in some of the balkan countries too, something that I find vile.

<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b></b>

To answer \"Well I am not sure what other context it could be put in but I see you have tried to put it into a context.\":  If I was told that people in America go to jail for life for drugs, that is a misrepresentation of that law. .....

I shortened that last part in case I get into trouble with the "quote police" again.

1. It was me who said it was women who suffer the most under sharia law, not you. I still think that is the case. The number of witnesses is of no concern to me, stoning a person to death for having sex is not cool.

2. I am talking about Islam specifically because I think people here would be able to respond better to my questions about Islam. Just so you know, I don't particularly like religion whether it be Islam, catholic church, protestant, jehova, jewish or even Indias ridiculous caste system, they all have something wacky about them. I wonder what buddism is like ? I've never looked into that one.

3. I don't have a response regarding the soccer team, minivan versus boat etc. You lost me there.

4. Yes, I did have preconceived notions about Islam. Some of them have been debunked and others are to my horrer are true. It's just a good job most muslims don't actually live by the qu'ran or we would be in a right mess.

<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b></b>Do you believe in God?  Then we can go from there.  That's how to discuss Islam.

Now that is an interesting question and to be honest, I am agnostic about it. I would like to believe in god but religion tells me otherwise.

Religion just seems to be a human made up thing. If god does exist he needs to be showing a bit more interest in what's going on. We are all confused about what book we should be following, people are arguing about and so on. No the Muslims are going to say Mohammad was the lat prophet and the christians are saying different. Who do I believe, I'm stuck in the middle and frankly, neither proposition looks appealing !

Anyway, great response Dan, thanks again.