Validity of the Noble Quran

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Hello SisJen A good post SisJen.

I would like to nit pick a couple of wee thing though.

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b>Hi HabibHibee,</b>

Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems you regard 'converted Muslims' as having lessor knowledge.  And yes, in some cases that may be so.  However, don't you think that for many of us preparing to take such a major step in our lives, we will at least look at this from all possible angles?

I actually didn't mean anything by the convert remark other than I regarded Dan as a Tesco religious shopper, i.e. he looked around tried a few religions and found Islam. He had made a choice to be a Muslim other than born into it.

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b>Hi HabibHibee,</b>

Islam is peace.  No question about it.

Hmm, only if you are a Muslim that is.

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b></b>

 As Dan tried to explain to you, and I have as well, the sentance for stoning can ONLY be carried out if four witnesses have seen the actual act take place.  

I don't care if there were a hundred witnesses, it makes it no less barbaric SisJen. Even if the accused had been a murderer, child rapist or whatever, it is still barbaric. I think secretly you are a bit squeemish on the subject and in most cases hope women get away with it due to a lack of evidence. How would you feel about one of your kids being stoned to death because 4 people accused them of fornication ?

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b></b>

Think about this:  Islam is peace, and you are using the rational that stoning is barbaric and unpeaceful.  And while I am sure it may seem this way to you, consider this:

Will you have a peaceful society in which fornication, unwed teenage mothers leavinf babies in trash cans are not uncommon, and divorced parents are also the norm.  

Religions are always obsessed with sex, all of them. What is that they have against sex ? So a woman makes the mistake of marrying an ahole and she is to stick with him ? Remember, we are not all what we appear to a prospective spouse. What about an arranged marriage, poor couple gets saddled with no way out.

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b></b>

Do you realize that in my son's class of 28 students, there are only 2  

students with married parent's.  

I don't see that as being an issue, they are all gods children, right ? But you are right, too many kids are born without loving parents. Contraception is the answer, not stoning the "fornicators" (primarily women) to death.

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b></b>

Depression among the youth is on the rise.  And the #1 reason for divorce is a cheating spouse.  Are these values that promote peace?  

So Islams answer to that little predicament is to allow a man to have more than one wife

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b>  </b>

Can you say with all honesty that America is a peaceful place when many 1000's are killed in voilent crime by the year, and rape is so common that 1 of every 8 girls by the time they reach puberty is molested?  This is peace?

America has violent crime, of course it does but why are you picking up only on America ? Take at look at what happens in Pakistan for example.

Now, since you bring up the subject of rape, did you know that a senior minister of Turkey recently said that if his daughter was raped she would make sure that the rapist would marry her ? Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't sharia law allow a man off the hook for rape if he agrees to marry his victim ?

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b>  </b>

You look very close at how Muslim  majority countries run the place, but what about these so called 'democracies?'  Really have you considered how the effects of how these acts effect the society?

Is there any place on Earth that you consider to have high morals and justice?  Be honest.  I don't think any of us can say that there is.

really look at it from all sides if you really want to look at governments for your example

I would say any country in the European union such as Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Sweden, Austria are good democratic countries with high moral values. No government is perfect but I would have to say that some are better than others.

<i>Originally posted by SisterJennifer </i><b>  </b>

I posted a very good biography about the Prophet in the general section if you are interested in looking at another angle.

That's all I have to offer

Peace be with you,

~Jennifer

PS excuse anytypos, I'm in a rush.  All the best to you.

I have read about Mohammad and the history of the times and it was a violent period. All the same, you put Mohammad up on a pedestal based on his good points out weighing the bad. A bit like saying Hitler was not all bad, he was kind to animals. It just doesn't add up for me. Oh, and here is another thing, blasphemy laws in Islam, one word against Mohammad and it's death right ?

Anyway, typos aside, I enjoyed your response. I'm sure my typos are there too !

Islam just needs a wee tweak here and there and its a world beater of a religion.

Right Dan, you are next !