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John 1
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Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


I have really done with this topic; I will let others if possible to share with us their views on this matter which is to me, remained ambiguous and confusing. Now let me comment on some new issues you have raised in your last post.




Quote:Nobody actually dies. You don't die, I don't die. There is an afterlife, which we enter when we leave this world.

I normally prefer to speak with authority and references rather than presenting my own interpretation (which you think I am doing).


The Bible clearly states that God after forming man from dust, He breath into his nostrils “<b>THE BREATH OF LIFE</b>” (Genesis 2:7), that indicates that this man (or us) were dead before receiving the breath of life, otherwise why He gave us this ‘life’ if we were not dead in the first place? The result is obvious according to the Bible “…<b>and man became a living soul</b>”… we have become living after being dead.


Now what happens after we became living souls according to the Bible? we die again, the Bible says: “<b>For the living know that they shall die</b>…” Ecclesiastes 9:5


This is confirmed even in the Qur’an, that ‘<b>every soul shall have a taste of death’ </b>Qur’an (29:57) so our souls will taste death for sure, but after that we will experience afterlife.


Now there is another type of death mentioned in the Bible, which is called spiritual death occur when sin enters one’s heart. Like for example Ezekiel 18 ‘<b>the soul that sin it shall die’ </b>now I was not talking about this kind of death.




Quote:Belief in God requires faith.

No doubt, but faith is developed based on knowledge.




Quote:To be more specific, everybody's flesh dies. So presumably Jesus' flesh died in a manner that is common to all. (Although, there is testament of exceptions to even this commonality, too.) Miracles defy logic, as does faith, but it certainly does not make sense to me that the God in the afterlife could die. The Spirit lives forever. How could a bunch of stupid angry men kill God? That seems as unlikely as a bunch of self-righteous men killing evil.

Ok so if God don’t die, then Jesus is not the God of the afterlife? Maybe we could consider him as Holy man as described by Peter, chosen by God to accomplish a certain task etc, but not God himself, otherwise to say he died and claim that he is God is something totally incomprehensible.




Quote:Saint Thomas Aquinas said the same thing: "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible."

How the one who has faith became faithful in the first place?


Salam


Wael.

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John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 07-25-2009, 09:15 AM
John 1 - by Muslimah - 07-25-2009, 09:13 PM
John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 07-27-2009, 09:24 AM
John 1 - by Steve Consilvio - 07-28-2009, 11:32 AM
John 1 - by Faith Hope Charity - 07-28-2009, 01:31 PM
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John 1 - by Steve Consilvio - 07-29-2009, 12:22 PM
John 1 - by Muslimah - 07-29-2009, 06:19 PM
John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 07-29-2009, 10:04 PM
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John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 07-30-2009, 01:05 AM
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John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 07-31-2009, 03:18 AM
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John 1 - by Faith Hope Charity - 08-04-2009, 01:43 AM
John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 08-04-2009, 01:50 AM
John 1 - by Steve Consilvio - 08-04-2009, 02:26 AM
John 1 - by Faith Hope Charity - 08-04-2009, 02:39 AM
John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 08-04-2009, 03:17 AM
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John 1 - by Steve Consilvio - 08-04-2009, 11:27 AM
John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 08-04-2009, 01:32 PM
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John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 08-06-2009, 01:39 AM
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John 1 - by Muslimah - 08-06-2009, 10:36 AM
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John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 08-07-2009, 02:45 AM
John 1 - by Steve Consilvio - 08-07-2009, 02:45 AM
John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 08-07-2009, 03:04 AM
John 1 - by Steve Consilvio - 08-07-2009, 03:51 AM
John 1 - by Muslimah - 08-07-2009, 08:47 AM
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John 1 - by wel_mel_2 - 08-12-2009, 02:03 AM
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John 1 - by Steve Consilvio - 08-20-2009, 11:55 AM
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