John 1

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Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


<b>Steve.</b>

The main topic, unspoken but clearly implied, is that Christianity is contradictory, and therefore faulty. But the truth cannot be contradictory, and Christianity is part of the truth. The "something went wrong in this gospel" is your interpretation based upon your own definitions.

You amazed me by your conclusion. You remind me of Bernard Shaw who says:


"“<b>No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means</b>”


You are also trying to make me say what you mean, in the same manner how you guys deal with the Bible.


I simply asked a question. Of course I know that Trinity is a contradictory, but this was not my intention when I asked the question. the question pop up in my mind when I reflected on verse 14 <i>'and the word became flesh</i>..." then I remembered Christians argument that it was the human Jesus <i>ONLY </i>who died on the Cross and not the divine, so how come now it says that the Word which is God (verses 1-3) became flesh and later died? That’s why I asked my question, I though there will be a ready answer rather than meaningless arguments.


And yes, the 'something went wrong with the gospel' is my own conclusion to what I am reading in your Bible, I could be wrong, but I could also be right.

You primary point was that the Trinity was contradictory, created by man in the 4th century, and Christians are confused to accept it. Christ clearly introduces the Spirit, which refutes your entire argument. As to what constitutes "death" and "life", they are both just an illusion. The universe is the same as it has always been. We cannot even explain our own consciousness, yet you expect to be able to explain that God died? I do not read what you claim at all.

Trinity being invented in the 4th century is not a point, it is a historical fact. And if Christ clearly introduced the spirit, that doesn’t mean that they are both co-equal and co-eternal. And I do agree with you that we can't explain everything in the universe, but my salvation does not depend on anything unexplained in the universe. However, to be a Christian you have to accept this 'unexplainable' doctrine or else you will be doomed to hell, so I say such concept should be made crystal clear.

As far as your point that the miracles come from God, that is a good point, but then, all things come from God, except evil. Should we set up a scientific lab to measure miracles? That is obviously an oxymoron, since every miracle is a failed scientific explanation.

It was you who brought up Jesus' miracle to prove that he was not ordinary man, so I just show you that he was in fact a very ordinary man compared to others who did perform greater miracles that he did.


I would suggest that we stick to one point at the time . Let us first solve the problem of John 1:14


Was John trying to say that God Himself died on the cross since the word which is God became flesh and later died? Let us focus on this point for now.


Salam


Wael