John 1

[Steve Consilvio]

This is yet another debatable issue, let us first focus on our main topic, whether God died as described in the gospel according to John or that something went wrong in this gospel.
Salam


Wael.

The main topic, unspoken but clearly implied, is that Christianity is contradictory, and therefore faulty. But the truth cannot be contradictory, and Christianity is part of the truth. The "something went wrong in this gospel" is your interpretation based upon your own definitions.


Rather than looking for what is wrong (pessimism,) perhaps the effort should be spent on what is right (optimism). In a mathematical equation, there are an infinite number of wrong answers. Studying wrong answers has a purpose, if it leads one to the right answers. But being an expert on all the wrong answers is an exhaustive search, which can never bear fruit, since by definition there are an infinite number of wrong answers.


You primary point was that the Trinity was contradictory, created by man in the 4th century, and Christians are confused to accept it. Christ clearly introduces the Spirit, which refutes your entire argument. As to what constitutes "death" and "life", they are both just an illusion. The universe is the same as it has always been. We cannot even explain our own consciousness, yet you expect to be able to explain that God died? I do not read what you claim at all.


As far as your point that the miracles come from God, that is a good point, but then, all things come from God, except evil. Should we set up a scientific lab to measure miracles? That is obviously an oxymoron, since every miracle is a failed scientific explanation.


The purpose of scripture is to discover the spirit (grace) not win arguments.


It is certainly quite possible that God granted favors on many to perform miracles, throughout the ages. God can do what He wants when He wants. Our only charge is to understand and follow. Scripture are notes about what happened. Sort of like a scientists notebook; don't confuse the notebook for the experiment, or the terms for their meaning.


Even the labels Muslim, Christian and Jew are false. There is only one God and one truth, and we are all equal beneath both.


Edit to add: Miracles are less important than the Truth, and even Jesus says that the Truth comes from God. (This supports your point, but changes the focus.)


John 14: 23Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.