07-29-2009, 10:04 PM
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
Welcome back Steve and FCH, glad to see you around once again. :D
<b>Steve Consilvio</b>
Quote:The trinity is a perpetual stumbling block for Muslims, etc.
And for some Christians too right?
Trinity was not part of early Christianity; it has developed over the time and was not taught by Jesus or his disciples. Trinity is just a <i>'fourth century creed' </i>that was decided by Constantine and won a place over other Christian groups who have existed in the first few centuries after Jesus and never heard of anything called Trinity.
Quote:There are many questions which require some acceptance of faith and mystery.
I agree, there are plenty of issues that are unexplainable, even in Islam (i.e. like the rituals of Hajj etc), however these matters does not take a person to Hellfire as in the case of Trinity which is the core belief of some Christians. It has become a dogma that if you did not accept it, you are domed to Hell, <i>'Ok, can I understand it? No you can't you just have to believe in it</i>.' So my point is that I should fully understand something that my entire salvation depends upon, after that everything else will follow, but the basics that take me to heaven or hell should be made crystal clear.
Trinity was declared as a mystery simply because everyone failed to explain how three beings could be one and the same thing, but my question was, “which person died on the Cross? Jesus the God or the human since you are claiming that he has two natures? And so according to John 1:14 it was God Himself who died (i.e. The Word/Jesus/God who became flesh).
<b>FHC</b>
Quote:Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnate. He is one Person, not two. Therefore, it is fitting to say that the Son of God died, only possible because He assumed a mortal human nature. However it is important to remember that death could not contain Him, He rose on the third day. By dying He destroyed our death & by rising He restored our life.
Again, this does not help answering my question at all. I already understood that Jesus is one person (i.e. the second person of the Triune God). But you are saying that he is totally and fully God as well. So in the beginning the son Jesus was there with God, who Himself was God and then later he/God/Jesus became human and died on the Cross.
<b>Can't you see FHC? God Himself died not just the human Jesus.</b>
Salam
Wael.