Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
<b>'AlShamms' </b>
Quote:<b>I don't know which translation you're using, but in all of the reliable versions</b> that I use, there are no brackets. So just to be sure, I checked the interlinear Bible which is transliterated from the original Greek manuscripts, the words "as was supposed" are there without brackets. So they are not an insertion.
Here am quoting from different versions of the Bible where the words "<i>as was supposed</i>" are to be found in brackets (<b>meaning they are not to be found in the original text and so they are insertion by the translators</b>) so please tell me if all of them are unreliable. Thanks.
Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (<i>as was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, (King James Version 1611
).
Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (<i>as was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, (The New King James Version
).
And Jesus himself, when he began [to teach], was about thirty years of age, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Joseph, the [son] of Heli, (The American Standard Version
).
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Joseph, the son of Heli, (English Standard version
).
And Jesus Himself had become about thirty years of age, being (<i>as was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, who was the son of Heli, (The Millennium Bible
)
Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his work. He was the son (<i>as was thought</i>) of Joseph son of Heli, (The New revised standard version
)
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Joseph, the son of Heli, (Revised Standard Version RSV
).
(<b>please note</b>: scholars of the Bible said about this version (RSV) that it goes back to the <b>most ancient manuscripts</b>, and the revisers of this version said that the KJV has<b> grave defects</b>, and that these defects <b>are so many and so serious</b>, and so they've eliminated the word begotten, 1John 5:7, the ascension of Jesus, and many other parts of modern translations which they consider to be interpolated and fabricated.).
And Jesus himself was beginning about the age of thirty years: being (<i>as it was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, who was of Heli, who was of Mathat, (Douay Rheims Bible/Roman Catholic version
).
Yeshua himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years old, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Yosef, the son of Eli, (Hebrew Names Version of World English Bible
).
Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years old, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Joseph, the son of Heli, (World English Bible
).
And Jesus at this time was about thirty years old, being the son (<i>as it seemed</i>) of Joseph, the son of Heli, (The Bible in Basic English
).
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (<i>as was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, who was [the son] of Heli, (The Webster Bible
),
Notes:
1- All the above quotations are from CrossWalk.com you may verify them as you wish.
2- I've also checked by myself the few versions that I've at home like the KJV 1611,RSC, RCV etc.
Please remember what you said about the KJV and the amplified Bible <b>that they are both equal in accuracy</b>, however in that particular verse the amplified Bible removed the brackets where the KJV (<i>which is older</i>) kept the words in brackets, anyway are the above versions (<b>all of them</b>) unreliable???
Quote:No Wael, my "denomination" is not "non-denominational" I have no denomination. Denomination is the spitting of one religion into subgroups, my faith is not a subgroup. I am a Christian, simple and plain. My worship comes from the Scripture itself, not from a man's traditions. It doesn't matter that not all who call themselves "non-denominational" agree, what matters is that they not follow the man made subgroups.
They are too saying the same thing, <i>"We are Christians, SIMPLE AND PLAIN</i>", what I understood from what you saying is that there is a difference between "<b>TRUE</b> Non denominational Churches" and Non denominational Churches that belong to a '<i>denomination</i>' hehehe that was funny but I was not trying to make a joke. The fact is that I've seen many Non Denominatioal Churches online who condemns and opposes the teachings of other Non denominational Churches and accusing them for misinterpreting the Bible, you see this game will never end, even if you claim to be a Bible follower simply because no one knows which Bible is accurate, and that is true, how will they ever know when the so called original do not exist???
Quote:The issue with "which is the Holy Ghost" is the same as "as was supposed" they are both found in the original text.
We have already established earlier that "as was supposed" was an insertion and addition, Unless you are saying that the above Bibles are all unreliable.
Quote:so it is not an interpolation as you would like to agree. Nice way to try to deny it though, sorry it doesn't hold up. The "need" as you put it, is to clearly explain to the reader what "Comforter" they should be looking for. Why you ask? Because many will come in Jesus' name (claiming to continue his message) but their hearts will be far from Him.. So he instructed his disciples what was to happen and what signs they should look for:
I was only using my mind ASshamms… Jesus told his disciples that he will send <b>ANOTHER</b> comforter, could you tell me if he was going to send them <b>ANOTHER,</b> then who was the <b>FIRST</b> comforter? Based on your answer we will insh a Allah continue our interesting discussion.
Salam
Wael.