04-28-2009, 07:59 AM
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
<b>'AlShamms' </b>
Quote:I know <b>you don't understand</b>
, it has not been given to you to understand:
Matthew 13:11-14
(11) And He replied to them, To you it has been given to know the secrets and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
(12) For whoever has [spiritual knowledge], to him will more be given and he will be furnished richly so that he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
(13) This is the reason that I speak to them in parables: because having the power of seeing, they do not see; and having the power of hearing, they do not hear, nor do they grasp and understand.
(14) In them indeed is the process of fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah, which says: You shall indeed hear and hear but never grasp and understand; and you shall indeed look and look but never see and perceive.
In that same chapter of Mathew 13, Jesus told his disciples that <b>MANY</b> Prophets and righteous people have desired to <i>SEE THOSE THINGS </i>s and yet they were not able to see them, and they wished to <i>HEAR THOSE THINGS </i>but they did not hear them, So Alhamdulelah, we are just like those Prophets and righteous people.
BUT...the disciples could not understand the core belief of today's form of Christianity, and that is <b>the death and resurrection of their LORD. </b>
Luke told us (of course with the help of the holy ghost as you believe) that the chosen 12 disciples <b>understand NOTHING about the alleged death and resurrection of Jesus Christ</b>, and yet you are claiming to be guided by the holy ghost on understanding that which Jesus' chosen onse could not comprehend.
Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, we are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the son of man will be fulfilled, he will be handed over to the Gentiles, they will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him, and kill him and on the third day he will rise again. <b>THE DISCIPLES DID NOT UNDERSTANT ANY OF THIS, ITS MEANING WAS HIDDEN FROM THEM AND THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.</b>
Luke 18:31-34
I really don't know what was so vague in the above verse that makes them <b>DO NOT UNDERSTAND</b>?
Now you come and tell us that you are better that Jesus' disciples by understanding that which they did not.
Quote:Actually Muslims pick and choose what words of Jesus Christ they want to follow. Jesus said:
John 14:6
(6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.
He also said earlier in that same chapter that he is going to prepare a dwelling place for his followers, and so Jesus was the <b>way</b> to these places which were with God, it doesn't mean 'worship Jesus in order to be saved'.
Quote:Wael said it is impossible to do as Jesus commanded, You (collectively) do not call God your Father (another command), and you do not believe Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.
I repeat, you can't love your enemy (<b>i.e. you can't love a person who raped your sister, kill your parent, spit on your Bible, molested your daughter, burn your Church, etc etc</b>) and if you love them then you must be mentally sick.
Quote:We are to believe the companions of Jesus Christ because they speak by His authority. But I'm sure you'll attempt to justify your lack of obedience to these words in some way.
We would love to see the words of Jesus'companions, however the words of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are not the original words of Jesus' disciples and if you wish, I can quote you what Christian scholars have said about those 4 gospels attributed to Jesus' disciples to see for yourself that they are fabricated and has nothing to do with the truth.
Salam
Wael.