Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
<b>'AlShamms'</b>
Quote:Another story about sexual immorality? I'm beginning to wonder about yall. Yes, we know these stories are in the Bible, nothing new. Do we become obsessed with them? No, we don't. So why are you? To answer your question, this story would fall under reproof as we know incest is a sin. (Lev. 20:12) And instruct us how to be righteous by not engaging in such a sinful act.
You see in Genesis 38:7 <b>Er, because of his wickedness, God slew him</b>… that is reproof (<b>because of our wickedness we might be destroyed, that is the lesson to be taught</b>), <b>but what happened to Judah as a result of his sinful act???
</b> In fact the tribe of Judah was so blessed by God according to the Bible and Farez and Tamar (<b>the children of incest</b>) became the great grandfathers of “<i>your lord</i>” Jesus Christ!!! Is that a reproof or a reward from God???
Lot and his 2 daughters … <b>where is God’s punishment for that sinful act???</b>
Ezekiel 23??? <b>What the size of a donkey or the stuff of a horse have anything to do with reproof, correction, or guidance into righteousness?</b> Why details are necessary anyway??
Quote:Again, if you can't understand the metaphoric language then you'll always see it as "making love stories". This book would be classified as doctrine.
Ok, let me be more specific here, first of all here is the definition of ‘<b>doctrine</b>’ according to Oxford dictionary:
a set of beliefs or principles held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group
Now, let us quote the Song of Songs to see whether any of these words are considered to be <i>a set of belief</i> or if you have heard them <i>taught in your Church</i> before…
<i>"Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I said, 'I will climb the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine and the fragrance of your breath like apples."
</i> Song of Solomon 7:7-8
Is that a doctrine?
By the way, the same style of writing is to be found in Proverbs and II Samuel.
Quote:Wael, again, this statement is based on your understanding of your god. It is not based on understanding of the Bible. So no, you cannot judge what you do not understand. If you had understood it, you would have known where to place the above verses you asked me about.
My God is out of competition Shamms, now we are discussing your Bible, which I’ve surely understood it, I am not that dumb, to me those stories and terms are so offensive with comparison of somebody giving me <i>dirt to eat but wrapping it nicely and calling it “cake”.</i>
Quote:If, as you say, this particular book is filled with, as you say, filthy language, then why would your god place the name of your prophet among such "filthy language"? And why would you, as a muslim, look to that verse, in that book (song of solomon) filled with filthy language as validation that the Bible mentions your prophet?
I don’t take the Bible as a validation or as evidence for the coming of Muhammad pbuh, I am very content with the Qur’an regarding his coming and his mission, now you may ban the entire book of SOS including 5:16 if you wish, and don’t call it God’s word, we will not care much.
Salam
Wael.