Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
<b>'AlShamms' </b>
Quote:Actually for the believer who understands, using the term "begotten" with reference to Jesus Christ was very clear. Wael, Im not getting into a discussion about Bible translations with you. The fact of the matter is, Monogenes is in the original manuscripts and can be translated begotten.
I don’t know why Christians have got that ‘<i>cold feet</i>’ when discussing BibleS? But anyway if you don’t like talking with me about that subject, then it is your choice…
Now for the benefits of other viewers let us show them a list of Biblical versions where the word Monogones was translated as ‘<i>only son</i>’ or just ‘<i>son</i>’ without bringing begotten at all into the pictures… now whether this is the correct translation or that they've made a mistake in <b>ALL </b>those versions, we leave it to you to decide.
<b>*** The word begotten of (John 3:16) not to be found in the following versions of the Bible:</b>
<b>1- New International version (<i>best selling</i>)</b>
2- The Bible in basic English.
3- The complete Jewish Bible.
4- Holman Christian Standard Bible.
5- English standard version.
6- Good News Translation.
7- Good News Translation w/Apocrypha.
8- God's word translation.
9- Hebrew Names version.
10- The Message.
11- The Century version.
12- New International reader's version.
13- New International version.
14- New Living Translation.
15- New Revised Standard.
16- New Revised Standard w/Apocrypha.
17- Revised Standard Version (<i>Most accurate Bible according to 50 cooperating denominations of Christianity</i>).
18- Revised Standard Version w/Apocrypha.
19- Today's New international version.
20- World English Bible.
21- Weymouth New Testament.
And the list can go like forever....
Quote:I never mentioned anything about a school and don't understand why this comment was made.
It was just a figure of speech in response to your words that we are teaching you about your religion.
Quote:Wael, the Bible is spiritually discerned, meaning you cannot analyze it and come to your own understanding. The Bible itself says no part of Scripture is of any private interpretation (2nd Peter 1:20). Again, it's it a complicated matter to explain, question is, will you accept the explanation provided or will you continue to argue?
Of course I am prepared to listen to your interpretation of the Bible and accept it as well if it does make sense, and for that reason let me ask you this question:
Paul says:
"<b>All</b> scripture <i>IS</i> given by inspiration of God, and <i>IS</i> profitable for <b>doctrine</b>, for <b>reproof</b>, for <b>correction</b>, for <b>instruction in righteousness</b>." 2 Timothy 3:16
Now according to my understanding of the above verse, Paul is trying to tell us that whatever God has given man whether through revelation or inspiration, it should serve at least one of four purposes:
1. To teach us <b>DOCTRINE</b>;
2. <b>REPROOF</b> us for our error;
3. Offer us <b>CORRECTION</b>;
4. Guide us into <b>RIGHTEOUSNESS</b>.
If my understanding is correct please confirm with me…
To clarify further with you my understanding I’ve done the following exercise; if you open Genesis chapter 38 we read:
"BUT ER, JUDAH'S FIRST-BORN <b>WAS WICKED</b> IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD; <b>AND THE LORD SLEW HIM</b>.'' (Genesis 38:7).
And so according the principles of 2 Timothy 3:16 I would say that the above is classified as <b>REPROOF</b> (<i>i.e. Er was wicked and so God killed him</i>)... That’s the lesson, <b>God might destroy us for our wickedness</b>.
Now my question is, using the principles of 2 Timothy 3:16, <b>where will you place the story of Judah and his daughter in law as found in Genesis 38:16-18</b> ???
What about <b>Genesis 19:30 "Lot and his 2 daughters to the end of story"</b>??? Was it teaching us a doctrine, reproof, correction or guidance into righteousness???
How about <b>Ezekiel 23</b>?
Song of Solomon and the ‘<i>making love stories</i>’ how will you classify them according to 2 Timothy?
Quote:It is not for you to judge what is and is not appropriate in a book you don't believe in.
Of course I can do judgment, He has given me a brain to think and decide, He, the unique God can never talk like how we “<i>filthy people</i>” talks.
Quote:<b>As regards to “reading these materials to your children with guidance”… do you mean that you might also rent some pornographic magazines and video tapes to show them to your children to teach them the evil of unlawful sexual intercourse? and while watching with them for "guidance"you may say: “Hey kids, do not commit fornication or adultery, this is wrong, God does not like that what you see and read” ???? What guidance are you talking about? Would any sane person do such thing? These types of stories will definitely leave an impact on the children’s minds!!!</b>
This was an immature statement and will not be addressed. I expect better from you in the future Wael.
I guess you are just ashamed of answering such a question… <i>let us drop this issue as well??</i> It is all up to you.
Quote:Am I really supposed to care what a government of this world thinks? That's like me telling you that a certain country banned a surah of Qur'an...would that really move you? Of course it wouldn't. All it would mean to you is that they were unbelievers...period.
The fact is that no one banned anything from the Qur’an, as compare to this Christian nation who did expunge verses from the book which is considered by them to be "<i>god's word</i>".... we know that you don’t really care, you are going to teach your children "<i>with guidance</i>" the lessons of sexual stories in your "<i>book of god</i>", so who really cares!!!!
Quote:Question: If the language of the book is inappropriate as you seem to believe. Why would your god associate your prophet with a book that by your understanding is full of inappropriate language? Would you accept it if Muhammad's name was mentioned in the Indian sex guide Karma Sutra?
Very good question, I never said that the entire Bible is full of inappropriate stories etc… I did said that the Bible contains portion of God’s word, portion of prophets’ words, portion of historians words, as well as pornographic materials and absurdities which no body could attribute to God Almighty, and so we should not feel so it is just normal for our Prophet pbuh to be mentioned in the Bible because <b>parts of that Bible we may consider as God’s word</b>, <b>but not entirely.</b>
Salam
Wael.