11-28-2008, 08:46 PM
Quote:Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
<b>Shamms</b>
Yes they were clear of choosing Monogenes to describe Jesus, however, the Bible translators were <b>NOT</b> that clear or were not properly inspired by the Holy Ghost to translate the word as BEGOTTEN!!!!, what does it mean to you when almost <b>ALL available Bibles today does not have the word begotten?</b>
Peace.....
Actually for the believer who understands, using the term "begotten" with reference to Jesus Christ was very clear. Wael, Im not getting into a discussion about Bible translations with you. The fact of the matter is, Monogenes is in the original manuscripts and can be translated begotten.
Quote:<b>Who told you in the first place that we have started a new school to ‘teach’ Christians their religion?</b>
I never mentioned anything about a school and don't understand why this comment was made.
Quote:We do not teach them, what actually I am doing is analyzing the Christian Bible and presenting my own understanding of the text, you either provide a logical explanation, refutable argument or you can just say as you said earlier to me “<b>OBJECT ALL YOU LIKE, DISAGREE ALL YOU LIKE</b>” which shows how complicated the matter for you to explain.
Wael, the Bible is spiritually discerned, meaning you cannot analyze it and come to your own understanding. The Bible itself says no part of Scripture is of any private interpretation (2nd Peter 1:20). Again, it's it a complicated matter to explain, question is, will you accept the explanation provided or will you continue to argue?
Quote:I guess you did misunderstand the question of sister Muslimah, we do not object the <i>MESSAGE</i> of that chapter, <b>we are against the use of inappropriate language and terms which can never be inspired by God the Creator.</b>
It is not for you to judge what is and is not appropriate in a book you don't believe in.
Quote:As regards to “<i>reading these materials to your children with guidance</i>”… do you mean that you might also rent some pornographic magazines and video tapes to show them to your children to teach them the evil of unlawful sexual intercourse? and while watching with them for "<b>guidance</b>"you may say: “<i>Hey kids, do not commit fornication or adultery, this is wrong, God does not like that what you see and read</i>” ???? What guidance are you talking about? Would any sane person do such thing? <b>These types of stories will definitely leave an impact on the children’s minds!!!</b>
This was an immature statement and will not be addressed. I expect better from you in the future Wael.
Quote:And for your information, this chapter was banned by South African Government years ago and they recognized it as pornography book.
Am I really supposed to care what a government of this world thinks? That's like me telling you that a certain country banned a surah of Qur'an...would that really move you? Of course it wouldn't. All it would mean to you is that they were unbelievers...period.
Quote:Ok then could you please answer why the word begotten was removed by your scholars from almost all Bibles? because for every translation you may provide where the word begotten is mentioned in John 3:16, I can show you <b>10 different versions of your Bible where the word begotten is not used at all</b>.Wael, this is the last time I'll address this "scholar" issue. Like I said before, the word Monogenes is indeed in the greek manuscripts, so what would be their motivation for removing begotten from the text? A more accurate understanding? I think not. You cannot get more accurate than divine inspiration. The Word of God is under attack, now more so than ever. You have many so-called scholars of theology who don't believe much of what the Bible teaches, so attempting to use them in your argument doesn't sway me one inch.
Shamms