Bismillah; Assalamo ALikum.
<b>'AlShamms' </b>
Quote:Yes Wael, we all know how MAN and WOMAN procreate. But how did God, according to your own book, place seed in Marayam's womb?
Qur'an 19:19-22 Pickthal Translation
(19) He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
(20) She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
(21) He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
(22) And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.
As I do not speak Arabic, I will trust the knowledge of the translator to have accurately transcribe the above verses. As you can see Wael, and as you well know, Islam teaches in the conception of Isa without seed having been ejaculated into Marayam's womb.
<b>Where does the Qur'an say PLACE SEED IN MARY'S WOMB????</b>
Allah tells us regarding the <b>CREATION</b> of Jesus that it is as Adam's, He created him from dust then He said to him <b>BE </b>and he was… Placing seeds is actually a biblical term used when the daughters of Lot planned to COLLECT their father's seeds and so you know the story, they became pregnant by their own father, but Allah normally describe these issues in most sublime manner. Alhamdulelah.
Quote:When I say "We Christians" I mean every Christian who believes that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son....not hard to figure out
It is really easy to find out by going through different versions of the Bible to see that almost <b>ALL translations </b>have expunged the word Begotten from John 3:16… so you may tell us plainly that these BIBLES are corrupted and let us know with EVIDENCE that your version of the Bible is more accurate than what we read.
Quote:Wael, you cannot make Begotten mean something it does not. Begotten does not imply physical sexual intercourse, and anyone who uses the term in that way, is incorrect. If the Bible writers wanted to use Gennao to describe the conception and birth of Jesus, they could have...they did not. They used Monogenes which again means single, of its kind.
Of course the word begotten imply physical sexual intercourse, you may ask any English man and he will confirm what am saying, you may also brows through the internet to see that there is no such thing as BEGOTTEN in the <b>GREEK BIBLE </b>and that that this MONOGENES should not be translated as begotten, what you can't comprehend is that I am not accusing you for believing that Jesus was born as a result of any male intervention, I am only against the language which implies the physical relationship, if you just agree on this then we may proceed in our discussion, but if you insist that <b>BEGOTTEN</b> is the proper term, then you may also question other translators of your BIble as to why they've thrown out this word from the "<i>book of God</i>".
Quote:Wael, you ask if God cannot choose a proper word to describe his unique son. He did, it's Monogenes. I'm sorry if you object to the use of the term, but your objection alone does not invalidate the use of the term. Yes, Jehovah can, and did, make men his sons through faith in his only begotten Son Jesus Christ.
If the English Bible says that he is <b>UNIQUE</b>, them we don't have any objection, we believe that he was unique in his miracles, birth, ministry etc., and so was all prophets who came before him as well as Muhammad pbuh, but to say that he is begotten of GOD, then this is a very disrespectful quality to be attributed to God the Creator of all.
Quote:Wael, we mention the Hebrew name Yeshua because the Old Testament was written in that language and translated from that language into Greek. So you mentioning Aramaic is a non-issue. Yes, there were persons in the Old Testament who also were given the name Yeshua whom you say simply means "To Save" or "To Deliver"; my question is, who is doing the saving and delivering? Jehovah is.
The issue is that the name Jesus <b>does not mean JEHOVAH'S SALVATION </b>and so the name Jehovah is not to be found in the entire NT, that was my point of asking to show me a single verse where the name Jehovah is mentioned in the NT.
Salam
Wael.