Trinity analogies.

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Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


Our new member "fisher of men" forces me to start this thread after reading his analogy when he was trying to explain Trinity, so I thought to collect most of the "Trinity analogies" that were invented by Christians to examine them, and insh a Allah to refute each and every one of them. So here we go... <b>BISMILLAH.</b>


<b>Analogy #1:</b> (as explained by "fisher of men" On this thread.

* Consider the molecules of water, H20. Now also consider <b>the different forms this same molecule may take. Ice, water, and steam</b>. Each are different in their own ways, have different characteristics and each serve different purposes

I do agree that water will remain always water even in three separate forms (<b>i.e. Ice, water, and steam</b>) but please bear in mind that we know very well that <b>the component of water remains the same as well in all the three states </b>, H2O/ 2 atoms of hydrogen, and one atom of oxygen. Only the forms keep on changing, but the component of water remain the same. The question now is, <b>are the constituents of the persons in the Trinity are same? Obviously NOT.</b>



1- God Almighty and the Holy Spirit are <b>made of Spirit </b> but Jesus is <b>made of flesh and bone </b> (the component is not the same)


2- Jesus <b>needed to eat in order to survive</b>, God the Father <b>does not require to eat at all </b> (they are not the same)


3- If by any chance, one of the components of water was removed, then <b>it is not WATER anymore</b>. Are you trying to tell us that when Jesus died on the Cross, <b>there was no GOD anymore?</b>


<b>Analogy # 2:</b>

Time is past, present, and future. There are not three times

Christians usually say, the Father <b>IS GOD</b>, Jesus <b>IS GOD</b>, and the Holy Ghost <b>IS GOD</b>, on the other hand, we cannot not say that the past <b>IS TIME</b>, or present <b>IS TIME </b> etc… but rather we say, <b>past is PART OF TIME</b>
. But Christians never say that Jesus is PART OF GOD. Ask any Christian the question "is Jesus God" ? They will never say no he is only part of God, they will simply say, "Yes he is God"


So shortly, this analogy might work if Christians would say that Jesus is PART OF GOD, the Father is PART OF GOD, and Holy Ghost is PART OF GOD, but this is not what they believe, they say The Father is GOD, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God.



And by the way, since Jesus is not the Father, and the Father is not Jesus, then please count with me how many Gods have we got?..... Two
is the correct answer. But Christians trying hard to prove that they worship only one God; <b>we can agree with them insh a Allah if they start practicing what they preach. </b>


Back to TIME. We do not have <b>3 times but ONE TIME</b>, but the past alone is NOT time, present alone is NOT TIME, etc... And so if Christians decides one day to say that Jesus <b>IS NOT God</b>, then we could easily use this analogy to explain Trinity, but the fact is that <b>there is no Trinitarian would ever dare to declare that Jesus is NOT FULLY God.</b>


<b>Analogy#3:</b>


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I am a father, a brother and a husband at the same time. ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.

It is true, I can see myself in this example (<b>Father, brother and husband</b>)... Now the question here to Trinitarians is this:


Q: if I (as a brother for example
) told my sister a secret, will I (as a Father and Husband
) know that secret?


A: Naturally I say <b>YES</b>. But the case with the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is totally different. <b>The knowledge of the last Day was left to the Father ONLY</b>, which means that <b>the Son and the Holy Ghost are not knowledgeable enough to know the SECRET and the time of the Last Day</b>. So how can you call any of them God?


Matthew 24:36


<b>But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
.</b>


<b>Analogy# 4:</b>

Family of God: I am a father, one person, my wife is another person and our son the third person in our family, we are only ONE FAMILY and not three.

Well, that makes sense <b>ONLY if you will not bear another child</b>. Once you have another kid, then God becomes four
, just like that. So my advise to Christians not to use this analogy.


<b>Analogy# 5: </b>

An egg. (Shell, yolk and white, ONE EGG).

The problem is that according to Christians, <b>each of the persons within the Trinity is fully God</b>, so they failed to realize that the <b>yolk does not possess the fullness of the egg; neither do the white or the shell. </b>


<b>IMAGINE how Christians trying to prove their belief!!!!
</b>


So let us make it simple for our Christian friends who would like to explain the Trinity.


<b>You must describe Trinity following three simple rules which you are promoting and preaching to Non Trinitarians. THEY ARE:</b>


<b>1- God is unique is His Oneness. </b>


2- Each person of the Trinity is FULLY GOD.


3- And the Trinity itself is ETERNAL.


So, bring one analogy that can match with <b>ALL</b> the above points, or admit that this trinity is full of confusion. and as you know, <b>God Almighty IS NOT the author of confusion as the Bible states in 1 Corinthians 14:33</b>. and so in conclusion I would say that this Trinity dogma has nothing to do with God Almighty.


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Wael.