07-14-2007, 01:44 PM
Quote:No, but according to my logic, it is senseless to ask the Prophet (pbuh) to be included in Ahlul-Bayt if you already are considered to be one of them by Allah (swt).
I dont understand? Umm Salamah asked to be included within the Kisa. So according to your logic why would she even ask if she already was included in AhlulBayt. Your logic just doesn't follow.
Quote:Why are verses 28-34 all talking about the Prophet's (pbuh) wives? Even verse 33 according to Shi'ites starts off talking about the wives. Why didn't Allah (swt) put the latter portion of verse 33 anywhere else in to Qur'an to avoid all this confusion?
This is a similar question to why the phrase "This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion;" is placed in the middle of 5:3. As I said Parenthetical phrases are not uncommon in the Quran. Just because the wives are mentioned the verse before and afterwards does not logically conclude that the wives MUST be included in AhlulBayt.
Quote:Why have Shi'tes struggled through time in order to prove that the latter part of 33 is not talking about the wives? Some scholars have went as far as to say that the Qur'an has been fabricated.
Bring me a quote in english and I will think about it. The unanimous opinion of all Shi'ite scholars as far as I have read is that there is no fabrication in the Quran. Such a belief will make one a non-muslim.
Quote:Nuh (as) didn't ask Allah (swt) to make his son a part of his ahl. He asked Allah (swt) to save his son who was being arrogant and thought that he could escape the wrath of Allah (swt). His situation and the situation of those that you consider as Ahlul-bayt aren't similar at all.
Read the verses brother. Nuh did not say "save my son" he said "My Lord! surely my son is of my Ahl". Allah then says "O Nuh! surely he is not of your Ahl".
Compare the the words of the Prophet(saw) when he says اللهم هؤلاء أهل بيتي، "Oh Allah these are my Ahlulbayt". If the verse 33:33 did not already include Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain, Allah should have replied to the Prophet in the same way Allah did to Nuh.
Quote:Inniki ala khair doesn't mean "you aren't included"...
It doesnt mean that she was included either. It makes more sense if it means she wasn't included. otherwise why didn't the Prophet(saw) just say "Yes you are of my AhlulBayt, just stay where you are".
Quote:Strange. I wasn't aware that the Shi'ites believed in adoption...
Ever heard of Zaid ibn Muhammad (Zaid ibn Haarithah)? Although it is Haram to call someone your son if you not their biological father after the Quranic commandment.
Quote:Please have some objectivity Karbala. I believe that some people get so close to their faiths that no matter what they see, they will choose to stick to their views without question. Try being as objective as possible before you get there and I promise that I will try my best to do the same.
Inshallah I will try to remain as objective as possible. May I urge you to do the same. just because I do not agree with you doesn't mean I am being close-minded. I hope we can learn more from each other.