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This is getting repetitive.

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YUSUFALI: And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.


PICKTHAL: And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing.


SHAKIR: And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.

These are what knowledgable translators have done with the verses.

Notice the additional meanings But, Rather, On the Contrary, However, Yet which all carry the same meaning of negating a quality in a previous statement by strongly affirming a quality in the next statement.

According to these translations it is without a doubt that the verse is talking about the same group of people.

So according to your logic it would be pointless for "those who believe and do good" to ask for "gardens beneath which rivers flow" since it is already promised to them. This logic is wrong.

No, but according to my logic, it is senseless to ask the Prophet (pbuh) to be included in Ahlul-Bayt if you already are considered to be one of them by Allah (swt).

1. Is there any incident narrated which shows an event in which 33:33 was revealed for the wives? Or did you just assume that the wives were already in AhlulBayt?

Not every verse needs a hadeeth to explain what's going on. I suppose it is just that obvious when it comes to 33:33. By the way, I'm really having a hard time believing that you're still sticking to the Shi'ite interpretation of this verse. Please try put your bias away just for a little while and look at the verse.


Ask yourself questions like:


Why are verses 28-34 all talking about the Prophet's (pbuh) wives? Even verse 33 according to Shi'ites starts off talking about the wives. Why didn't Allah (swt) put the latter portion of verse 33 anywhere else in to Qur'an to avoid all this confusion?


Why have Shi'tes struggled through time in order to prove that the latter part of 33 is not talking about the wives? Some scholars have went as far as to say that the Qur'an has been fabricated.


According to Al-Khoie in his book منهاج البراعة في شرح نهج البلاغة, he states that Al-Kulaini, Al-Tabrasi, Al-Majlisi, Al-Qummi, and Al-Jaza2iri all agree with this point.


Proof: http://www.aljaafaria.com/kotob/minhaj02/


Also, according to Syed Ali Almilani: ـ هل أعاد عثمان ترتيب بعض الآيات حسب ما تقتضيه السياسة في الوقت ، فمثلاً هل له دور في وضع آية التطهير وسط آيات خاصة بنساء النبي في سورة الأحزاب ؟


جواب سماحة السيد علي الميلاني


ـ نعم ، نحن نعتقد أن مكان آية التطهير وكذا الآية : ( اليوم اكملت لكم دينكم ) ونحوهما هو من فعل هؤلاء القوم ، ففي آية التطهير


http://alquran-network.net/masael1.htm


He states that the latter part of 33:33 was interesting in there by Othman who rearranged the Qur'an. Do you agree with this nonsense?

2. Doesn't this mean that another verse had to be sent down, since the original verse was referring to the wives and Mohammad and not Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain.

Not necessarily. There are decisions made by Allah (swt) and laws that the Prophet (pbuh) that are much more important that cannot be found in the Qur'an also.

3. Why didn't Allah give Mohammad the same reply he gave Nuh in 11:45 when Nuh cried out to Allah to include his Son in his "Ahl" and was warned by Allah not to ask about that which he had no knowledge?

Nuh (as) didn't ask Allah (swt) to make his son a part of his ahl. He asked Allah (swt) to save his son who was being arrogant and thought that he could escape the wrath of Allah (swt). His situation and the situation of those that you consider as Ahlul-bayt aren't similar at all.

The incident with Umm Salamah clearly shows that the wives were not included.

Inniki ala khair doesn't mean "you aren't included"...

This is exactly what I mean, who decides this? based on what????? The Messenger is the Messenger, but who decides that this child and not the other can be classified as infallible? I mean when this Imam appears, who would tell u this is him and u have to follow??????

It is funny how you think just like me, Muslimah.

Possibly after her aunt Zaynab bint Mohammad the adopted daughter of Mohammad(saw). This is a strange question since Zaynab is a common arabic name meaning ornament of her father.

Strange. I wasn't aware that the Shi'ites believed in adoption...


Please have some objectivity Karbala. I believe that some people get so close to their faiths that no matter what they see, they will choose to stick to their views without question. Try being as objective as possible before you get there and I promise that I will try my best to do the same.