07-02-2007, 01:59 PM
Quote:This is what I understand as the context of these verses.
I can see that you're struggling with the text since it contradicts with your personal beliefs. I suggest you improve your Arabic language skills and then taking a second look.
Some Shi'ite scholars have gone as far as claiming that the second part of 33:33 has been switched into it's current position by the companions of the Prophet (pbuh) and was originally in a different place in the Qur'an.
Quote:If you want to believe this man its up to you. Personally I dont just believe anyone blindly.
Please don't underestimate those that don't follow your faith. Assuming that those who accept hadiths by Anas are blind followers is a very closed minded point of view.
Quote:Hence it should be clear that the purification in 8:11 is nowhere near the level of 33:33.
The language of the Qur'an is Arabic. You're trying to prove to me that the levels of "purification" even though he word used in Arabic is the same because of English translations?
Quote:"Perfect"(Mir Ahmad Ali)
A Shi'ite translator? Please, don't play these games with me.
Quote:And you believe them? Even though you know that Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain are part of AhlulBayt?
Karbala, please use your logic here. Why would Mohammed (pbuh) pray for Ali, Fatima, Al Hassan and Al-Hussain (raa) to be included here as Ahlul-bayt after the verse was revealed? Wouldn't that be pointless since the verse is talking about them?
In fact, what the Prophet (pbuh) is trying to do is to include Ali, Fatima, Al Hassan and Al-Hussain (raa) as part of those that were mentioned as well. That is why he told Um Salama (raa) "inti ala khair". The verse is talking about her and the other wives.
Quote:You should know that this same Akramah was a Kharijiite who used to go around killing muslims.
According to Shi'ite scholars I'm sure.
Quote:Why do you reject Zaid ibn Arqam who clearly says in Sahih Muslim that the wives are not included in AhlulBayt in this verse?
Why do you reject Zaid's other narration?
Quote:So either the wives are infallible or the Prophet(saw) is not infallible.
I'm surprised that an ex-Sunni doesn't know that Mohammed (pbuh) isn't considered infallible. His infallibility is only exclusive to his duties as a messenger.
Quote:Inshallah maybe we can agree to just disagree and move on to the next topic.
Agreeing to disagree is what I do best. Of course, I'd rather we continue this discussion after you get a better feel for the Arabic language.
My turn to ask you a question. If you aren't here to convert us to Shiasm, then why are you here?
I honestly don't believe that you'd just want to stop at "clearing our misconceptions about Shiasm."