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[Karbala]

In His Name the Most High,


Salam,


Thank you Hadji for your reply.

Karbala, all those verses that you have posted show a connection between what was said before "inama" and what came after it.

I am not denying there is a connection. Infact I am saying the opposite THERE IS A CONNECTION. The connection in these verses shows clearly that the wives are excluded from Ahlulbayt. Just like in 9:55 separates one group from another by connecting the sentences using the word "innama" similarly 33:33 the sentences about Ahlulbayt are separated from the Sentence about the wives by connecting them using "innama"


Perhaps it will be clearer if I paraphrase 33:30 to 33:33 and no the companions who faught in the Battle of Badr arent infallible.


O wives of the Prophet if you sin then we will punish you double. If you are obedient you will be rewarded double. You are not like other women so be careful, soften your speech and speak good. Stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the days of ignorance <b>and as for you AhlulBayt Allah wishes to Purify you from all sin perfectly.</b>


This is what I understand as the context of these verses.

Only Anas ibn Malik? I thought you considered all Sunni hadiths as unreliable. Of course, except for the ones that you folks use to argue against Sunnis with. Please, I'm only trying to show you the meaning of Ahlul-Bayt in the eyes of Sunnis. With hadiths like this, it's only obvious that we would consider the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) as Ahlul-bayt.

If you want to believe this man its up to you. Personally I dont just believe anyone blindly.

There are many verses in the Qur'an that talk about "tat-heer" and "rijs" that aren't exclusive to Ahlul-Bayt.

The verse has nothing to do with sinlessness. Also, those that you consider to be Ahlul-bayt are no sinless. I'll write more later... I got class in fifteen minutes.

The verse is about the companions that fought in the battle of Badr. Are we to believe that they are infallible as well?

Lets compare 8:11 with 33:33


Both verses use the word Yudhhiba and Taharakum. The difference is in the degree of purification.


33:33 used Al-Rijs while 8:11 uses Rijz. I think you will agree that the definite Al-Rijs is more emphatic meaning "all abomination" or "all uncleanliness" (Yusufali) than simply Rijz.


33:33 used Tatheera while 8:11 has no such word. Infact 33:33 is the only place in the Quran where Tatheera is used. Most translators translate this as "Throrough" (Shakir) or "Perfect"(Mir Ahmad Ali) or "Utmost"(M.Asad) Purification.


Hence it should be clear that the purification in 8:11 is nowhere near the level of 33:33.