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[Hadji]

Looking at 9:55 ...
First Ayah addresses good people after "innama" addresses bad people with seal on hearts.

Karbala, all those verses that you have posted show a connection between what was said before "inama" and what came after it.


Verse 9:92 and 9:93 are talking about two different situations, but the verses are connected in the subject of whom to blame. Those in 9:92 cannot be blame. While those that are in 9:93 are to be blamed. "Inama" connects the two.

9:44 They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard with their property and their persons, and Allah knows those who guard (against evil).
9:45 They only(innama) ask leave of you who do not believe in Allah and the latter day and their hearts are in doubt, so in their doubt do they waver.

These two verses are connected by "inama" by differentiating the type of people who will ask to be exempted from fighting and those who won't.

9:17 The idolaters have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness to unbelief against themselves, these it is whose doings are null, and in the fire shall they abide.
9:18 Only(innama) he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate and fears none but Allah; so (as for) these, it may be that they are of the followers of the right course.

These verses are connected as well. 9:17 and 9:18 uses "inama" to differentiate between those who should maintain or visit the mosques of Allah (swt).

A good verse to illustrate the usage of "innama" is 4:171 where Allah repeatedly uses the word "innama" for emphasis.
يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لاَ تَغْلُواْ فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِلاَّ الْحَقِّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ


O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only a messenger of Allah and His Word

As for this verse, it is without a doubt that the words that come before and after "inama" are connected. I can't see how you don't see this.

[shakir 5:91] The Shaitan only desires to cause enmity and hatred to spring in your midst by means of intoxicants and games of chance, and to keep you off from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. Will you then desist?

Once again, look up 5:90. The verses are connected by "inama". Iblees uses the things mentioned in 5:91 to "cause enmity and hatred to spring in your midst".

[shakir 9:55] Let not then their property and their children excite your admiration; Allah only wishes to chastise them with these in this world's life and (that) their souls may depart while they are unbelievers.

"Inama" shows that Allah (swt) wishes to chastise them with "these". "There" are their property and children and "these" shouldn't excite our admiration.


Now, if we look at 33:33. It is without a doubt that there is no connection between the words that come before and after "inama" if we use the Shi'ite interpretation. The only way for there to be some sort of connection is if Ahlul-bayt and the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) are the same.

I have read those verses and I dont think any of those verses are talking about wives.

Did you read any commentary on the verses. According to my knowledge they "ahl" means wife in each.

Jami'Al Bayan Fi Tafsir alQuran by Al-Tabari
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...e=4&Size=1

Go to page 7:


حدثنا ابن حميد، قال: ثنا يحيى بن واضح، قال: ثنا الأصبغ، عن علقمة، قال: كان عكرمة ينادي فـي السوق: { إنَّـمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِـيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرّجْسَ أهْلَ البَـيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيراً } قال: نزلت فـي نساء النبـيّ صلى الله عليه وسلم خاصة.


According to some of the companions the verse specifically talks about the wives of the Prophet (pbuh).

No the only ma'sooms recognised by Shia are the 14 Ma'soom including the Prophet, Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain and the 9 Imams from the lineage of Hussain. These are the only people who can be called AhlulBayt of the Prophet(saw).

What about the other daughters of Mohammed (pbuh)? Why only those fourteen?

Hadji: I think you should know better than to quote a Shia a hadith narrated by Anas ibn Malik. You might know that we don't hold a very good view of this man. Hence this hadith is unreliable.

Only Anas ibn Malik? I thought you considered all Sunni hadiths as unreliable. Of course, except for the ones that you folks use to argue against Sunnis with. Please, I'm only trying to show you the meaning of Ahlul-Bayt in the eyes of Sunnis. With hadiths like this, it's only obvious that we would consider the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) as Ahlul-bayt.

1. The tone changes from legislative threats to will of purification.
2. The pronoun gender changes.


3. The reason the sentence "innama....." is placed amongst the Ayats about the wives is clearly to distinguish AhlulBayt from the Prophets wives.


4. The sheer number of Hadiths from sahih muslim, Sunan tirmidhi, al-mustadrak al-Hakim, Musnad Ahmad, Durr alManthoor Suyuti, Tafsir Tabari etc etc.


5. Parenthetical sentences are not uncommon in the Quran e.g. 5:3.

1. There are many verses in the Qur'an that talk about "tat-heer" and "rijs" that aren't exclusive to Ahlul-Bayt.


2. We've already stated that Mohammed (pbuh) is also from Ahlul-Bayt.


3. I've already demonstrated with a lot of evidence that "inama" is only used when there is SOME sort of connection between the two verses. Maybe you are trying to say that Allah (swt) wants "al rijs" to occur on the wives of the Prophet (pbuh).


4. Right. None of these have anything to do with infallibility or Imamah. Nor do they state that these people are the ONLY people considered to be from Ahlul-Bayt... the arguments go on.


5. Agreed, but only if "inama" didn't divide the two sentences.

May I pose a question. Does "Innama Yureed Allah......3ankum al-Rijs AhlulBayt wa Yuttahirakum Tatheera" Not mean "purifying of sin"? It is well know that the wives of the Prophet were not sinless. Then it should be clear that the wives of the Prophet are not included in AhlulBayt.

The verse has nothing to do with sinlessness. Also, those that you consider to be Ahlul-bayt are no sinless. I'll write more later... I got class in fifteen minutes.