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"I am both Muslim and Christian"
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Bismillah


as salam alykom


If this is what Deedat and Aly are saying, with all due respect, this is in contrary to Quran. Quran is very clear on this, we dont need to use our imagination. Actually it is a fundamental issue.


"And because of their saying (in sarcastic boast), "We killed Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah," - <b>but they killed him not, nor crucified him,[/
b] but the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man</b>, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they did not kill him" (Quran 4:157)


It does not need any interpretation, he was not even put on the cross. THis is the core of interest, who was the resemblance, this is not important, but rather the important point is that a resemblance was put there. It is very essential in Islam to fully believe that he was not even put on the cross. If anyone says otherwise, the person, regardless of the level of knowledge is wrong and in contrary to Quran. May Allah Reward the brothers deedat and Ali. Someone might say the word nor crucified him may bear the sense of being put but not crucified. No, in such case Allah Would not Have preceeded it with killed him not. But for Allah To Make sure he was not even put on the cross, Make it so clear by Saying: Killed him not nor crucified him. Then it wasnt that he hasnt been killed and also not put on the cross.



The evidence brother Karbala that someone replaced Eassa salla Allah A`lyhee wa sallam.on the cross is not Barnabus, but rather the Ayah I quoted for u.





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Assalam Alaikum



<b>I would disagree with Shabeer Ally and Deedat as well since the idea of someone being crucified and surviving is a bit of a stretch of the imagination. </b>


I also disagree that Judas replaced Isa on the crucifix,
the only evidence for that being the Gospel of Barnabus being extremely unreliable.


Personally I believe in the incident narrated by Ibn Abbas through Ibn Kathir that one of Isa's disciples volunteered to be crucified and he was crucified in Isa's place.
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=12730


<b>But the point is I wouldnt judge anyone who interprets the Quran to mean that Isa died and then was resurrected</b>. I would disagree with this interpretation but I dont think this makes this person a bad muslim as long as he/she is sincere.



We dont judge but this person would need to immediately correct his/her stance, because this is a fundamenal belief it is foundation to the Muslim position from Essa salla Allah A`lyhee wa sallam.


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"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-19-2007, 12:11 AM
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"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by soulperson - 06-23-2007, 09:27 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 06-23-2007, 09:31 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Karbala - 06-25-2007, 12:40 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-25-2007, 06:31 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-25-2007, 06:37 AM
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"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-27-2007, 03:31 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 06-27-2007, 05:03 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-27-2007, 06:20 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Karbala - 06-27-2007, 03:46 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-28-2007, 06:14 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 06-30-2007, 07:19 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 07-01-2007, 01:56 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 07-01-2007, 04:56 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 07-16-2007, 09:35 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 07-16-2007, 09:55 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 07-17-2007, 12:12 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 07-17-2007, 12:59 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by AlShamms - 09-03-2007, 04:59 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-03-2007, 07:44 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by AlShamms - 09-04-2007, 02:16 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 09-04-2007, 02:41 AM
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"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-14-2007, 09:20 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 09-26-2007, 10:53 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-27-2007, 04:31 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 09-27-2007, 04:33 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 09-28-2007, 01:46 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-29-2007, 04:46 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 09-29-2007, 05:05 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 10-03-2007, 07:58 PM
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