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"I am both Muslim and Christian"
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Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.




Quote:[Personally I dont believe Jesus was crucified nor did he die. However the details of what happened I am not sure about. I dont accept the mainstream theory that Jesus was replaced by Judas or someone looking like Jesus. It may be possible but still apart from a mysterious Gospel of Barnabus I dont see much evidence for it.
However there are those who interpret the above verse 4:157 to make room for the crucifixion of Christ. Their argument is that the pronoun "they" in the verse refers to the Jews and hence the context of the verse is saying that "it wasnt the jews that killed or crucified Jesus". They claim that verse is rebuking the Jews who were gloating over there killing of Jesus, whereas it wasnt the Jews rather the Romans killed Jesus. Hence it is possible that Jesus was crucified.

It is not a matter of who killed him brother, the Qur'an say for a surety they <b>KILLED HIM NOT</b>, the focus in this verse is that Jesus pbuh was not killed by ANYBODY, Jews or Romans or whoever.




Quote:Is it not possible for someone to believe that Jesus was killed without believing he redeemed all of Mankinds sins? Would such a belief lead to Kufr? It wouldnt be the first time people had killed Prophets.

This is the point, killing Jesus according to Christians was for the purpose of redeeming mankind from sins, and so if he was not killed according to Paul, their faith would be in vain, he claims that salvation can only be obtained through the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ pbuh.


<b>"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain." </b>


(1 Corinthians 15:14)




Quote:I disagree that the curcifixion of Christ = Christian belief of salvation.

This is what they believe brother, I too disagree with them, but I also believe that he was not killed as the Qur'an explains.




Quote:I have to admit my knowledge on this matter is limited since I have not really researched it much. I am willing to change my beliefs if someone brings better evidence. However at the moment I dont think believing in the crucifixion of Christ brings Kufr, even though I personally don't believe in it.

Believing in the crucifixion of Christ goes straight against the Qur'an where Allah plainly and explicitly says that they <b>crucified him NOT</b>. No more arguments should be added after this unambiguous declaration that Allah has made.


Salam


Wael.

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"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-19-2007, 12:11 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Karbala - 06-19-2007, 03:26 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-19-2007, 11:29 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 06-22-2007, 06:28 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-23-2007, 01:46 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 06-23-2007, 08:09 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by soulperson - 06-23-2007, 09:27 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 06-23-2007, 09:31 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Karbala - 06-25-2007, 12:40 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-25-2007, 06:31 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-25-2007, 06:37 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Karbala - 06-25-2007, 11:46 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-26-2007, 08:15 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Karbala - 06-26-2007, 09:02 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-27-2007, 03:31 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 06-27-2007, 05:03 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-27-2007, 06:20 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Karbala - 06-27-2007, 03:46 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 06-28-2007, 06:14 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 06-30-2007, 07:19 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 07-01-2007, 01:56 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 07-01-2007, 04:56 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 07-16-2007, 09:35 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 07-16-2007, 09:55 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 07-17-2007, 12:12 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 07-17-2007, 12:59 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by AlShamms - 09-03-2007, 04:59 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-03-2007, 07:44 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by AlShamms - 09-04-2007, 02:16 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 09-04-2007, 02:41 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by AlShamms - 09-04-2007, 12:15 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 09-05-2007, 05:56 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-14-2007, 08:28 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 09-14-2007, 08:54 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-14-2007, 09:20 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 09-26-2007, 10:53 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-27-2007, 04:31 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 09-27-2007, 04:33 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 09-28-2007, 01:46 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 09-29-2007, 04:46 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by wel_mel_2 - 09-29-2007, 05:05 AM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 10-03-2007, 07:58 PM
"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Muslimah - 10-07-2007, 08:43 PM

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