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"I am both Muslim and Christian"
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<b>4:157 And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.</b>


Salam.


Personally I dont believe Jesus was crucified nor did he die. However the details of what happened I am not sure about. I dont accept the mainstream theory that Jesus was replaced by Judas or someone looking like Jesus. It may be possible but still apart from a mysterious Gospel of Barnabus I dont see much evidence for it.


However there are those who interpret the above verse 4:157 to make room for the crucifixion of Christ. Their argument is that the pronoun "they" in the verse refers to the Jews and hence the context of the verse is saying that "it wasnt the jews that killed or crucified Jesus". They claim that verse is rebuking the Jews who were gloating over there killing of Jesus, whereas it wasnt the Jews rather the Romans killed Jesus. Hence it is possible that Jesus was crucified.


I disagree with this interpretation since the expressions in 4:159 are so strong.


<b>4:159And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them.</b>


However I do admit that this interpretation is at least possible.




Quote:According to Christians, Jesus must die on the Cross, for a million human sacrifices cannot redeem mankind from their sin. How could these beliefs makes one a Muslim?

Is it not possible for someone to believe that Jesus was killed without believing he redeemed all of Mankinds sins? Would such a belief lead to Kufr? It wouldnt be the first time people had killed Prophets.


<b>2:91 Say: Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets before if you were indeed believers?</b>




Quote: This is the idea of Crucifixion brother, otherwise, there is no point for him to die on the Cross if he would not redeem them from sin. And so, Muslims must reject this idea as it was clearly explained in the Qura'n and the Hadith.

I disagree that the curcifixion of Christ = Christian belief of salvation. Other Prophets died at the hands of Bani Israel. No one believes that these Prophets could not have been killed since there was no point for them to be killed.


I have to admit my knowledge on this matter is limited since I have not really researched it much. I am willing to change my beliefs if someone brings better evidence. However at the moment I dont think believing in the crucifixion of Christ brings Kufr, even though I personally don't believe in it.

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"I am both Muslim and Christian" - by Hadji - 09-26-2007, 10:53 PM
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