04-05-2007, 05:50 AM
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
Quote:Some will use the following to present Islam as an open, tolerant religion, apologists typically present the famous "no compulsion" part of the Koran...
2:256: "There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower
However the verse which follows 2:256 seems to convey a different idea when read together...
2:257: "Allah is the protecting guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are the rightful owners of the Fire [of Hell]. They will abide therein [forever]."
Both verses together certainly convey a different message than the typical apologist snippet from 2:256. The pair of complete verses show the Koran's respective policies for Muslims (believers) and non-Muslims (disbelievers). Believers are warned not to slip into disbelief, and disbelievers are warned to become believers — or else. In other words, according to this passage, there is compulsion in Islam, despite the initial "no compulsion" statement. Verse 18:29, itself, bears some similarities to the 2:256-257 pair:
<b>Let’s see what the Bible said about compulsion:</b>
God of the Bible Chose the land of Palestine to be the Jews' "Promise Land", and thus, ordered them to go into it and fight the pagans there so they can have possession over it:
Numbers 13:26-28
26 They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land.
27 They gave Moses this account: <b>"We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! </b> Here is its fruit.
28 But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. We even saw descendants of Anak there.
Now, we may ask, <b>Did the disbelievers in the land of Palestine during the times of Moses start any war with the Hebrews who ORIGINALLY came from Egypt?? </b> Absolutely Not! So it seems that there is compulsion in the Bible.
Later on, the Hebrews or the "Israelites" or the "Jews" ‘call them as you wish’ have committed Pedophilia, Murders and Terrorism against those disbelievers:
<b>"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. </b>
(Numbers 31:17-18)"
<b>Now what crime did the innocent children and non virgin women commit in order for them to get killed?</b>
It is quite interesting that one of the 10 commandments says “Thou shall not kill/murder” <b>and yet the Bible ordered the killing of innocent children and non virgin girls by the mass. </b>
It seems that there is really no compulsion in the Bible.
And of course there is no need to mention about those innocent 42 kids who were killed by wild bears by Prophet Elisha, Or shall we mention about killing both righteous and wicked <b>(both are equal)</b>? Or we may talk about killing those who invite you to worship other than the God of the Bible even if they were your household? No need to mention because it seems that there is no compulsion in the Bible.
Quote:No statements in the Koran contradict this policy toward the disbelievers. That is, there are no verses that say "Be genuine friends with the disbelievers," or "Treat the disbelievers kindly, as good as you would treat Muslims").
<b>Absolute lie, the Qur’an is with us CC, we can very easy recognize the lairs. </b>
<b>Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Allah loves those who deal with equity. Al-Mumtahinah. Verse# 8</b>
Prophet Mohammad pbuh has also said:<b> “I shall plead on the day of judgment on behalf of a disbeliever who was harmed or whose due right was diminished or if more than bearable pressure was exerted on him or if something was taken from him without his consent by a believer.”</b>
Quote:The Koran repeatedly identifies the disbelievers as the enemy, evil, wicked, wrong-doers, evil-doers, on the side of Satan and fighting against Allah.
<b>And how the Bible identifies the disbelievers? No no how the Bible identify the believers themselves?</b> Don’t you know that Jesus addresses his own people as “an evil and adulteress generations”? Just because they were asking him to prove himself to be the true Christ!
Quote:Religious freedom requires the ability to freely express criticism of a religion. The Koran forbids this (2:2). As everyone now knows, it is not possible to criticize Islam openly without risking being killed by an Islamist who wishes to obey the Koran and follow Mohammad's example.
<b>Let the Bible speak:</b>
<b>"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God
..." </b> (Deuteronomy 13: 5)
<b>"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;"</b>
(Deuteronomy 13: 6)
<b>"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." </b>
(Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
<b>"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword."</b>
(Deuteronomy 13:15)
<b>"But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such a one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same."</b>
(Psalms 68:21-23)
<b>"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
</b> (I Samuel 6:19)
<b>I guess we can clearly see a plenty of <i>no compulsion </i> in the Bible and freedom of religion.</b>
Ready for you anytime CC, insh a Allah. Keep hitting your head :banghead:
Salam
Wael.