The "Original" Manuscripts.

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In the Name of the Father & of the Son & of the Holy Spirit - One God now & forever. Amen.

So why don’t you honor and respect other learned Christians who clearly contradicts your Church? Just because they are not belongs to the Catholic Church then they are wrong? That makes no sense at all.

Wael, you & I are in the same boat. Do you believe that men were once stars that fell from the sky & humans will be reincarnated several times before the end of time??? These are the conclusions that Alawites/Druze draw from the Holy Qur'an. Same thing, man! Respecting scholars is easy but accepting their views is tough.

I’ve already shows you what Christian scholars have said about this matter, the original writings were not preserved and they don’t exist today, so you can’t compare them with today’s Bible, plus many verses of today’s Bible does not match at all with the manuscripts which the Vatican or Jerusalem holds today. You can either take it or reject it, you can even deny it if you wish, <b>but you can’t prove something else. </b>

:banghead: Why don't you go bug Drama students about the authenticity of Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet? Please give me a break, dude!

True, God’s word will never change, <b>but God’s words are not with you right now in today’s Bible. </b>

So where are God's words, Wael? Please give me directions to the true Gospel.

Ok let see what else could be a lie!! :)


I bet you have heard about Bruce Metzger ? who after studying the writings of all the Apostolic Fathers viz., Clement of Rome, Ignatius, the Didache, fragments of Papias, Barnabas, Hermas of Rome, and the so-called 2 Clement, Bruce Metzger concludes:

May Bruce Metzger rest in peace.

There we have it. <b>The NT books were not looked upon as scripture by the early Christians. </b>


Yalla, repeat what you have said in your previous post (i.e <i>There's about 0% of truth in what they said</i>).

Actually, there's about -2% of truth in all that :lol:


Wael, you're bringing out the worst in me :angry2: I don't like putting others down but in this case I feel as though I'm obliged to defend the Church & the Holy Bible from their critics. Rather than me bag them out (:lol), I'll post some snippets from a Catholic website. Believe it or not, you're one of about a million anti-Catholics who've objected to these matters :)


This stuff comes out of a modernistic application of the historical critical method of biblical study. It's rubbish. In a nut shell, here is why:



1. The thesis presumes that the early Church did not know what really happened with regards the events of the Gospels.


2. The Gospels were not written by Sts. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but were written by unknown authors or groups of authors over time.


3. Dogma can't tell us about Christ, we need liberal modernistic theologians to tell us what the writers of the Gospels really mean. The pope isn't infallible, but they are.


This modernistic "higher criticism" method which seeks to dissect (read: destroy) Scripture by assuming that they want to find out when passages were inserted etc. They come from an pre-conceived notion that the Gospels are fabrications of later generations and they unashamedly assume the "prestigious" mission of sifting out the "real" Gospels.


But if we apply secular standards of finding the authors of the Gospels, (i.e. studying internal evidence (peculiarities in the text which point to the identity of the writer) and external evidence (what other people said about the author) there is no way to doubt that Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John are the authors.


These heresy-bearers will insist, against the infallible Magisterium of the Church, that Scripture contains errors, and with all audacity claim they want to correct it.


The end result is a big mess, because all these "scholars" can give you is their own interpretation and speculation, and no one can arrive at any facts. In reality, this is the goal of these Modernists, to cast doubts on Scriptures, destroy them, then & re-write them as they want, so that they can live a sinful life. This method of destroying Scripture is very efficient in making people lose their faith, because if people lose faith in one article of Scripture, they will soon abandon it altogether. If there's one mistake in Scripture, it's not inspired, and it's not worthy of out trust.

Christians give the impression as if they possess 5000 complete Biblical manuscripts, that is simply not the case. What you really possess is small bits and pieces here and there with a couple of verses on them. As Robert Squires mentions, all of the pre fourth century manuscripts contain only a few verses.

Christians give the impression as if they possess 5000 complete Biblical manuscripts, that is simply not the case. What you really possess is small bits and pieces here and there with a couple of verses on them. As Robert Squires mentions, all of the pre fourth century manuscripts contain only a few verses.

It's a miracle in itself that we even have these fragments. When we compare those bits & pieces to their corresponding verses in today's Bible, we realize that they agree word for word, which is why we can be certain that the rest agree too :)


All this chit chat about Scripture & not one reference to a verse :blink: Jesus Christ tells us that creation will pass away but His eternal words won't (St Mt 24:35). I'llleave you with that :thumb:


God bless.