Passion of Christ

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Why is a Muslim interested in Catholic/Protestant politics?

Of course I must be very interested because of our relationship with Christians, I can see that every Christian trying to prove that he is on the right track and everyone else is damned, but yet no one standing on a solid ground, so its my duty to correct these false conceptions that they have about God, and may Allah guide us all to the right path.

I'll just say that in this case it has more to do with interpretation than wording & I'm pleased to inform you that all Christians (theoretically) acknowledge Jesus Christ's Divinity (begotten of the Father).

Some Christians, <b>Not all</b>.

With all due respect to non-Catholic Christians, FOR ME, any Bible that's missing 7 O/T books cannot possibly contain the complete Word of God. But having that, Wael, I don't believe the Holy Qur'an is God's word either, so each to their own

Here you go, for you, <b>all Bibles are corrupted except the Catholic version</b>, please be specific and don’t be like <i>YO YO </i> :D :D :D because if one word was discovered not to be God’s word in any Bible, <b>then the whole Bible should be rejected</b>.


As for the RCV, we will see whether your claim is true or not insh a Allah, let’s continue discussing on the other thread “The "Original" Manuscripts.


Now if you don’t believe in the Qur’an to be God’s word, its fine, insh a Allah let’s start a new thread and call it Is the Qur’an God’s words, or Muhammad’s pbuh word? What do you think?

Hey, why are you allowed to quote non-Catholic authors but I can't quote non-Muslim authors? That's not very fair

You are totally allowed to quote any source, but we have to be careful whether this source is reliable or not.

You don't necessarily have to comment on the following but I'd like to point out that I find it very interesting...

Wow… of course my comments are necessary,. At least to laugh a little bit. :D :D :D

1. It did not contain the Fatiha (the opening sura, sura 1), nor the two charm suras (suras 113 and 114).

Any sane person can see that this is pure nonsense, every single Muslim in the world whether he is a Sunni, shi’a or whatever, recite Al Fatiha during his Salah, in fact without reciting this chapter during your Salah, your salah is invalid. So how can the Qur’an does not contain Al Fatiha? Plus where is this copy? I asked you to verify both (<b>if there is another one exist</b>) to check the difference <b>with your own eyes</b>, not through Mr Jeffery’s glasses
:D … like for example, when I opened by my own hands the RCV I’ve found that it contains 73 books, but when I opened with my own hands the KJV I found 7 extra books are missing. The protestant said these books are perfectly matching with the original manuscripts, the Catholics said the same thing and no one knows what is the truth. Al Fatiha not in the Qur’an? This is the funniest joke I’ve heard in years

2. It contained different vowels within the same consonantal text (Jeffery 25-113).
3. It contained Shi'ite readings (i.e. suras 5:67; 24:35; 26:215; 33:25,33,56; 42:23; 47:29; 56:10; 59:7; 60:3; 75:17-19) (Jeffery 40,65,68).


4. Entire phrases were different, such as:


A. sura 3:19: Mas'ud has "The way of the Hanifs" instead of "Behold, the [true] religion (din) of God is Islam."


B. sura 3:39: Mas'ud has "Then Gabriel called to him, 'O Zachariah'", instead of the Uthmanic reading: "Then the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary."


C. Only his codice begins sura 9 with the Bismilah, while the Uthmanic text does not ("bismi 'llahi 'l-rahmani 'l-rahim" meaning, "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate").

Of course I am aware that some Non Muslims are inventing<i> ‘new’ </i> Qur’an and distributing it throughout the world as though it is the original, but they didn’t know that the Qur’an is memorized by millions today as it was memoriezed on the hearts of Muhammad’s companions. So it is impossible for anyone to decive Muslims by any so called <i>‘new’ </i> Qur’an.

We can put it on hold for the time being if you wish. I'm still going over Arthur Jeffery's work.

Go thorough it all your life, you can never prove that there was more than one Qur’an. :D

Besides, an Islamic forum is not the place to be discussing Islamic doctrines

No but this thread was not the right one to discuss such topic


Peace