03-02-2007, 04:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-02-2007, 04:09 PM by Faith Hope Charity.)
Glory be to the Father & to the Son & to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, & ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
Quote:Now you prefer to make jokes rather than refuting our points huh
In other words you'd like me to spell it out for you...
T-H-E
F-A-T-H-E-R
B-E-G-O-T
T-H-E
S-O-N
.
Next time, I'll ask a muezzin to announce it from the minaret :lol: :D ;)
Quote:You see? :conf06:
Hahaha!
Quote:So an ordinary person is deceived, For example if you open the Non Catholic RSV, you will not be able to see the word <i>begotten </i> in John 3:16 the most popular verse among Christians, but if you read the same verse from the Catholc RSV, you will clearly find the word <i>begotten</i> there referring to Jesus. so which verse should we believe to be God’s words?
Why is a Muslim interested in Catholic/Protestant politics? :lol:
I'll just say that in this case it has more to do with interpretation than wording & I'm pleased to inform you that all Christians (theoretically) acknowledge Jesus Christ's Divinity (begotten of the Father).
Quote:The question is not yet answer FHC, do you mean to say that the Catholic RSV is the word of God, but the Non Catholic RSV is <b>NOT</b> the word of God ??
Jesus Christ is the Word of God. "Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses Himself completely" (CCC 102).
With all due respect to non-Catholic Christians, FOR ME, any Bible that's missing 7 O/T books cannot possibly contain the complete Word of God. But having that, Wael, I don't believe the Holy Qur'an is God's word either, so each to their own :)
Quote:It does not matter FHC, since this guy is a Non Muslim then we might have doubt about the information provided on his link, so I advise that you find some Shi’a websites and try to open the Qur’an on their website, and compare it with the Qur’an on any other Islamic Sunni websites. I guess you can still manage to read some Arabic words, start with the first Chapter of the Qur’an for example, AL FATIHA, and let me know if they are not the same. Good luck.
Hey, why are you allowed to quote non-Catholic authors but I can't quote non-Muslim authors? That's not very fair :(
You don't necessarily have to comment on the following but I'd like to point out that I find it very interesting...
According to Jeffery, Abu Mas'ud's Codex was different from the Uthmanic text in several different ways:
1. It did not contain the Fatiha (the opening sura, sura 1), nor the two charm suras (suras 113 and 114).
2. It contained different vowels within the same consonantal text (Jeffery 25-113).
3. It contained Shi'ite readings (i.e. suras 5:67; 24:35; 26:215; 33:25,33,56; 42:23; 47:29; 56:10; 59:7; 60:3; 75:17-19) (Jeffery 40,65,68).
4. Entire phrases were different, such as:
A. sura 3:19: Mas'ud has "The way of the Hanifs" instead of "Behold, the [true] religion (din) of God is Islam."
B. sura 3:39: Mas'ud has "Then Gabriel called to him, 'O Zachariah'", instead of the Uthmanic reading: "Then the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary."
C. Only his codice begins sura 9 with the Bismilah, while the Uthmanic text does not ("bismi 'llahi 'l-rahmani 'l-rahim" meaning, "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate").
We can put it on hold for the time being if you wish. I'm still going over Arthur Jeffery's work. Besides, an Islamic forum is not the place to be discussing Islamic doctrines :lol:
Peace :peace: