WHY MOTHER TERESA SHOULD NOT BE A SAINT

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Bismillah:


Assalamo Alikum FHC... its getting hot in here huh :D

Not by venerating the Saints.

I already said it once, that venerating or revering saints has nothing to do with bowing down to them and asking their help. You should better follow their example and this is the best way to venerate them.

A picture speaks a thousand words!.

Only one word is enough FHC. Worshipping an idol who cant even listen to your prayer.

We're merely praying to God through the intercession of that particular Saint.

Same as what Pagans said, so there is no difference between you and the Pagan Arabs who once said that we honor those saints in order to bring us closer to God. <b>Polytheism. </b>

I never accuse Muslims of worshipping the Kabba, or Iblis worshipping Adam.

Oh please, no one dare to accuse us for praying <b>TOWARDS</b> the Ka’bah because they know very well that no Muslim on earth worship it. <b>No Muslim will ever stand infront of the Ka’bah asking it to help him and be there for him when he die</b>, <b>no one will ever ask the Ka’bah to pray for us</b>. Almost every non Muslim knows very well that Ka’bah is the direction in which Muslim face when they offer their prayers <b>to God alone</b>.

Wael, I hate to break it to you, but you don't know the O/T as well as you think you do, Mate

This is all what we got from you guys, but anyway, your fellow Christains told me before the same thing, that we will NEVER understand any of the scriptures unless we are given the gift called <i>‘holy ghost’ </i>

The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, 'the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype,' and 'whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it.' Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is (CCC 2132).

Same as what Hindus told me.

If we were bowing down to her as though she's a god, then you'd be absolutely right!

The commandment doesn’t say whether you bow down to her as God or not. it says<b> DO NOT BOW DOWN TO ANY IMAGE</b>. That’s it.

But you said earlier that Muslims pray FOR each other. Why's that necessary? Can't the petitioners just pray for themselves? Same thing, Wael. We believe that the Saints are alive in Heaven. Their prayers are powerful because they enjoy the Beatific Vision. We glorify the Saints because God has glorified Himself in them.

First of all, we ask <b>ALIVE PEOPLE ON EARTH TO PRAY FOR US</b>.


Secondly who are you to judge whether this saint was granted paradise or not?


Lastly, those who are now dead or alive in heaven have their own issues to care about and they do not hear your prayers at all. In fact God is over watching you while you are praying to His creation, so you better direct your prayer to God alone and ask Him to forgive you.

Wael, you're not all-knowing (an attribute of Allah only). Please don't judge a book by its cover.

I am aware of what am saying FHC, don’t forget that my wife was a Catholic. You will never admit that you worship anything beside God, but in practice you are totally repeating the history of Paganism.


I am sorry to offend you by saying this, but I cant be a hypocrite. Every action in the Catholic way of worship <b>is taken directly from olden days Pagan religions.</b>

But admittedly, it was just a joke - not a mockery though! After everything you put me through, I deserve to make a joke every now & again. Don't take it to heart, please!

Its ok I believe you.

I'm not a Catholic because I want to please the world. Quite the opposite actually. I belong to God.

I respect your sincerity, but I strongly asking you to think deeply about what we are saying, we are not asking you a reward for this, just think with your mind and leave your emotions aside.

I wasn't after a text book definition. I wanted to get a better idea of what prayer is in Islam.

Prayers in Islam is <b>SALAH</b>, which is to be done in the Name of God Alone, then we start praising and thanking Him Alone, Glorifying His name Alone, asserting that we worship none but Him alone, and that if we ask of help, we ask of Him alone, then offer supplication to Him that He may guide us to the straight path, bow down to Him Glorying His name, prostrate to Him with humbleness, Witnessing that there is no other god or anything worthy of worship but Him, and that Muhammad pbuh is His slave and messenger.

You can't understand Catholic practice if you're constantly comparing it to Islam because you'll automatically approach the faith with many reservations.

You know well, that I am the last one here to compare Catholic practices with Islam, and that’s why I use the Bible when discussing with Christians, but you guys are <b>“reading the Bible through somebody else’s glasses”</b>. :D

Theology is faith seeking understanding. So long as we're not contradicting God, we're allowed to Theologize.

That means I have full right to call Jesus of the Bible whom you believe to be God with these titles, for example:


<b>“God the carpenter”</b>


“The sleeping God”


“The thirsty God”


“The weeping God”


“The tempting God”


“The dead God”


If all these terms are offensive to you, then calling Mary “mother of God” is not less offensive than the above terms.

We treat our Saints like family members not gods.

Yes I already said that you will never admit that they are gods, actions speak FHC.


Salam and try to give sometimes to your university. :P


Wael.