Qadar

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of the Father & of the Son & of the Holy Spirit - Three Persons subsisting in the One Divine Nature.

"Predestination doesn't exist in Catholicism."


Nor Islam... it is by our own actions that we go to heaven or hell. To say that Allah does not know where we will be, limits His Knowledge. So freewill does co-exist with Allah's All-Knowing.

It's not that I don't believe what you're saying, it's just that I'm struggling to understand your reasoning.


You keep coming back to Allah's (SWT) Omniscience. That's neither here or there. I wholeheartedly agree with you in this respect.


But how can you turn around & say that predestination doesn't exist in Islam after all the examples you've given & especially your original comment on this thread...


<i>"The bombs don't kill unless it is Allah's Will. Everyone's time has already been written."</i>


Speechless...

"Human beings were created with an intellect for a reason"


I thought one had to divorce from logic to understand the trinity. 3=1


Nowhere in the universe is this equation true. All math and science (branches of logic and reason) will only state 1=1. To say 3=1 and claim that it is logical and based on reason would be to deny everything else in the universe.


When christians say that 3=1 is a matter of faith, I can acept that as part of the belief system but to say that 3=1 is based on logic?

Logic's never eliminated in Catholicism. The Most Holy Trinity is a mystery (because strictly speaking it cannot be proven), but It's a supernatural truth that doesn't contradict reason. If I were to say that: Three Persons = one person or One God = three gods... then I'd be contradicting myself. But that's not what we say! We profess the belief in One God (what) not three, & Three Persons (who) not one.


What are the 3 acts of the human intellect?


1. Simple Apprehension


2. Judgement


3. Reasoning


In the case of the Most Holy Trinity & Incarnation, God elevates human judgement. That's the only difference between natural & supernatural truths.


Agree to disagree?


Peace & blessings.