The "Original" Manuscripts.

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In the Name of the Father & of the Son & of the Holy Spirit - One God now & forever. Amen.


May the peace of Christ be with you, Wael!

Don’t get emotional FHC :) … I am not asking you to revert to Islam; this is not my job, just stay calm and let us have a good discussion.

:lol: I'm just a drama queen!

And I was simply asking you about the Original manuscripts!!! <i>Where are they</i>? They do not exist, so how can anyone say that today’s Bible is the accurate word of God? just because the Catholic Church said so?

Yes, because Holy Mother Church says so. I never disobey or question my mother. The Early Church formed the Bible (under Divine Inspiration). She's the pillar of truth. I don't believe this... I know this!!! God can't lie.

even the (<b>RSV 1952</b>) who does not contain the 7 extra books of the RCV claim that their Bible was written by the inspiration of the <b>‘Holy Ghost’</b>.[/b]

Is the RSV 1952 a Protestant Bible? I'll bet my life on it!!!


On what authority do other Christians make this claim? Protestant scholars are the first to admit that Catholic Bishops canonised the books of the Holy Bible (under the guidance of the Holy Spirit) centuries & centuries before their translations appeared.

I also know that today’s’ Bible mentioned that all scriptures were given by inspiration, <b>but that does not mean in anyway that what we are holding today is the original inspired word of God. </b>

God's word can't change! The Qur'an specifically states that the Gospel was handed down by Allah (SWT) & it also states that Allah's word cannot change! Yes, Christians distort the word of God both verbally & in their actions, but once God reveals a message it lives on forever!!!

The don't believe that many parts of today's Bible are belongs to the original writtings, they have their reasons and they have done their research.

I don't recall them saying that (in those exact words). In any case, they're free to believe what they want but the fact remains the same... Jesus Christ built His Church on one Pope not a thousand. You can find a list of Popes starting from the first Pope (the Apostle, St Peter), right through to Pope Benedict. Christ is the Head of the Catholic Church... Queen Elizabeth is the head of the Anglican Church. Insh a Allah, we'll all be united once again.

Then why don’t you go and ask your Catholic Church, why they've produced a whole Encyclopedia and in it they declared that ALL Scriptures were altered? by them or by someone else, is not our problem, the important is that the ORIGINAL writings were not put together as they were originally written.

Wael, you're too much trouble! I can't believe we're back to this. Your reading/hearing is selective. I urge you to go back to that Catholic Encyclopaedia & read the whole document rather than one line which was referring to "books in general". How do you know that the ancient manuscripts don't match the original? Have you read the original?


For the millionth time, Sacred Tradition is equal to Scared Scripture in Catholicism. Until the end of the 4th Century, the Gospel spread through Tradition. Scripture was taught orally. Not one Catholic belief has changed since printers were invented. If you were to destroy every single copy of the Holy Bible, the Christian faith will still survive. I don't need to see my birth certificate to know that my parents are my true parents.

I am not talking about Jesus pbuh now, i am talking about <b>"the Gospel of Christ"</b> Do you have any document that carry his name ? NO... all what you got is <b>"the gospel according to so and so"</b>. this is NOT the original Gospel of Jesus Christ pbuh.


But the Church itself said that the Scriptures were altered!!! so how can you say something else?

Are you for real? We have writings from as early as the 1st Century AD :lol: Run a Google search on St Justin Martyr or St Cyprian or Origen or St Jerome or St Augustine, etc. You're bound to be surprised!

1- I already mentioned before about this famous story of Jesus pbuh forgiving the woman who committed adultery; this story not to be found even in the existed manuscripts, it was a later addition.


2- I also pointed out before regarding Mark 16:9-20, that many Biblical scholars admits that <b>“ the most reliable early manuscript and other ancient witnesses do not have this verse”</b> and yet we can find it today in the modern Bibles.


Now you tell me who have the right to add to the "<b>word of God</b>"?


<b>Arent these 2 points enough for anyone to understand that the Bible of today was altered ?</b>

:banghead:


I'm not even going to dignify your words with a response. This is pre-school all over again. Please don't insult my intelligence, Wael. I don't mind discussing this topic with you but please be mature & try not to make a mockery of the Christian faith. You've outdone me & my comment on the Satanic Verses.

I am not lecturing here, I am presenting a case, you may follow it or just ignore all of it. You are learning about Islam here but you also trying to educate us about your faith whenever we teach you something that is opposite to your beliefs. Anyway, I feel that this topic is very important for those who really want to know the truth about today’s Bible, if you getting emotional so please do not respond to this thread anymore.

It's a one way street with you, Wael :lol: If you bring up a new & valid point, I'll be happy to respond, otherwise, I'll just shrug the nonsense off.


If you'd like to know facts about Sacred Scripture, read the entire document in the Catholic Encyclopaedia &/or the Catechism. Please don't pick & choose information from unreliable sources.

We have covered this subject before on our forums, probably it is on <b>“discussion and beliefs”</b> forum.

Thanks! I'll view the link you provided for CC.


Take care & God bless.