02-26-2007, 04:16 AM
Bismillah:
Quote:Oh really, Mr wel_mel_2??? I hate to use Islamic revelations to convict you but doesn't the Qur'an say Allah "begets not"???
''Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. '' The Qur'an 112
How can "beget" be the opposite of "uncreated"??? Are you trying to say that Allah doesn't create???
NO NO my <i>smart</i> one, don’t trap me please hehehehe… :D :D :D
You know <b>very very very well </b> what you mean when you say <i>UNCREATED</i>, you do believe that Jesus existed before all ages and before all times, you believe that he was the creator and no one creates him. And using the term <b>UNCREATED</b> you are referring to God Almighty which is Jesus, but you make us to understand that <i>begotten and uncreated </i> are one and the same thing which is totally WORNG...
God ALmighty created all of us with the command “BE” and we were, He does not need to beget any children.
So don’t play games huh… :D Begotten does not mean uncreated. Ok.
Quote:Perhaps you should only refer to the KJV version when conversing with Christians who read/study it. I certainly wouldn't ask a Shiite about the Sunni tradition. Please don't get me wrong, I love my Protestant brethren with all my heart but unfortunately we don't see eye to eye on a lot of doctrines
I still insist on using any Bible as long as there is no proof at all on the authenticity of any version, if you declare right now in plain English that all versions of the Bible are not the word of God except the RCV, then I will use no other version but the RCV at least when discussing with you, but you cant even admit that.
Even if you ask the Shi'a to qutoe you any verse from the Qur'an, they will use one and only Qur'an, we do not have <b>"Qur'anic King James Version"</b>...
Salam and stay cool.
Wael