Qadar

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of God - Father Son Holy Spirit.

I will just make a quick comment, i really want to put the pre destination related replies together for the benefit of others.

Creating a new thread is a good idea! I hope you're able to locate all the posts which deal with this topic. Please let me know if you'd like help :) We've really ruined the sentiment of this thread, haven't we? I'll try to avoid a repeat of this in the future.

However, death is certain pre destined by Allah, time, place, means, take for example the honey moon Israeli couple who were in Indonesia during Tsaunami. They went there because they had to die there, so are those tourists who were just holidaying. Allah Willed for them to die there, some of them even were destined to have the sea as grave.

I know you said not to apologize, but I can't help it. I'm sooooooo sorry... I'm struggling to understand your reasoning. But I appreciate your time & effort.


If it was there destiny to die there, did they really have a choice in the matter? Could they have exercised their freewill in any way to save them? No... right? Therefore, their will isn't free!


If you ask me... predestination + freewill = a paradox.

But if someone decided to blow a place for example, the blowing part is his decision, Allah Knows about it certainly before hand, like if someone decides to commit suicide, let us discuss it this way. Suicide is haram. Period, we all know that, he/she decides to commit a haram act. His death time and manner is known certainly to Allah, even pre destined, but Allah Didnt tell him to commit haram. Can u see the difference.

We've established that God's Omniscient. Alhamdulilah, we both agree on this truth. But why would Allah predestine something that's haram? If an act is predestined by Allah then it must also be willed by Allah... not by us. True or false?

we will not allow this Insh a Allah, and I ve been asking nicely right????

Oh I was only kidding ;)


You're always nice :)


Take care & God bless.