Passion of Christ

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In the Name of God - Creator Redeemer Sanctifier.


Assalamu alykum, umm Zachariah!


I haven't forgotten you :) Sorry about the delay.

Can I read about this lost likeness in the Bible?

Original Sin, darl. First few chapters of Genesis.

I understand this. But what does then begotten mean?

Uncreated. Of the same substance.

There are Christians that believe that Jesus pbuh is God incarnated. And to me as a Muslimah, trying not to see this scenario as 'not another God' fails every time. So praying to Jesus pbuh/God seems to me, like praying to two Gods. One invisable and one visable.


Good lessons to partake of.


''Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." The Qur'an 3:31


''Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious'' The Qur'an 4:36

Jesus Christ is the Son of God Incarnate. It's inappropriate to call Him "partner". Please check out my thread under Discussion of Beliefs for the theology behind the Most Holy Trinity & Incarnation. These truths are extremely hard for Muslims to accept. You're not alone.

Very true. Truly you cannot be a slave, you cannot submit to Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala if you have not understood Who He is. That is not possible. It is a cooperation between the mind and soul and heart to come to that point. Then you are a true believer inshaAllah.

Amen! By the Grace of God we meet Him first through knowledge, followed by love, then submission & finally true happiness!

I would say reason.


Of course animals are to be valued and cherised too.


Reminds me of a hadith that speaks of a woman that has had a cat and treated it very badly and she is therefore sent to Hell. Sorry haven't checked the correct reference here. And that speaks volumes, don't you agree?

Wow! Ummm... Christians are taught to respect all of God's creatures but animals are lower than humans, therefore, we have dominion over them. I'm not sure about being condemned to hell for mistreating a cat, but I guess only Allah (SWT) can judge us.

That is your conlusion. How do you know, since He is the Omnipotent and All-Knowing that He did not plan this? The lesson learnt in the Garden is a lesson as I see it. Listen, learn and follow. If you fail, you can repent and ask for forgivness. But you must always stay on the right path.

Because like you mentioned above, we have reason. Faith can never contradict reason. I agree about the lesson in the Garden. I'm still dumbfounded as to why Adam & Eve remained on earth & we're born in the same state as them but in a different realm.

Why should we be tested in Paradise? What is the purpose?

We can't be tested in the Beatific Vision according to Christianity. Paradise is perfection... free from evil.

True, but He is the creator, isn't He? He can create whatever He likes. He will not ask for our permission before doing so.

True true true! But logically, the one thing God won't/can't do is contradict Himself. If He's All-Good... then He won't/can't be bad.

Yes I am aware of this part. In Islam he is a Jinn.


If you want to read more about this issue, I suggest,


http://muttaqun.com/jinn.html

Thanks! I certainly will.


No jinns in Christianity, by the way.

Since death is given to us by Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala I would say yes.

:banghead: :o :conf06: :blink:


Insh a Allah Dan, Muslimah & Wael are reading this & the 4 of you will eventually help me piece the puzzle together.


umm Zachariah, you're an absolute sweetheart!!! A kind, gentle & warm person. God bless you & your family.