02-15-2007, 01:54 AM
Bismillah:
Assalamo Alikum...
Quote:Sorry, I don't get it
You said: <b>"Christian" simply refers to a follower of Christ”</b>
You were against the bishops who do not believe in the virgin birth of Jesus pbuh because it was weird for any Christian to reject this fact since this event was <i>“described in the Bible” </i> so I I was saying, how can you call your religion as “Christianity”, when in fact this word (Christianity) was never mentioned in the Bible to describe Jesus’ religion?
Quote:"There is among them (Jews) a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, 'That is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah and (well) they know it!" (Surah 3, Ali 'Imran, verse 78).
"But because of their breach of their Covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard: They change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few- ever bent on (new) deceits: But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): For God loveth those who are kind" (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 13).
I agree that Christians misrepresent the Law in their words & actions, breach the Covenant & live up to the message of Christ. But does the Qur'an say that the written Scriptures have been tampered with???
The Qur’anic statement is really clear <b>“they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent to them”</b> So the written scriptures was interpolated and tampered by men to suite their own desires.
In another verse God clearly talked about those who have been changing <b>the Bible/Biblios/The Book </b> with their own hand to gain a very small benefit.
<b>"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book [the Bible], but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book [the Bible] with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.</b> (Quran, 2:77-79)"
Quote:Most of these manuscripts are in the Vatican Apostolic Library. You can run an internet search for more info. They've been thoroughly examined. You can read them in English by purchasing a catholic Bible from your local bookshop
Great, so do you know who are the real authors of those manuscripts? Do you know how many Bible scholars have gone through those<b> “so called original scriptures”</b> and shouted loudly that <b>THEY ARE NOT MATCHING WITH TODAY’S BIBLE </b> and sadly his voice was not heard? Do you know that <b>the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the Bible was “altered”? </b>
Quote:No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author-- all have been in some way altered. The material conditions under which a book was spread before the invention of printing (1440), the little care of the copyists, correctors, and glossators for the text, so different from the desire of accuracy exhibited to-day, explain sufficiently the divergences we find between various manuscripts of the same work. To these causes may be added, in regard to the Scriptures, exegetical difficulties and dogmatical controversies. To exempt the sacred writings from ordinary conditions a very special providence would have been necessary, and it has not been the will of God to exercise this providence."
The Roman Catholic Encyclopedia
Do you know what the commentators of the NIV said about the gospel of Mark?
Quote:"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1488)"
<b>about Mark 16:9-20: they say</b>
Quote:"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, <b>or its original ending has been lost</b>. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
This is scary to me, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying.
The quote of <b>"or its original ending has been lost"</b> proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc...
Quote:would you believe that they also memorize & recite the entire Torah?
The Bible wasn't memorized by anyone, nor was documented by it's Prophets. Unlike the Qur’an which was memorized by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his followers till this day.
So do you really want to discuss this subject? I don’t want you to get emotional again or feel that I am trying to win a debate with you (which is not my intention at all)..
Salam
Wael