A Comparison

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of the Father, & of the Son, & of the Holy Spirit. Amen.


May the Peace of Our Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ, be with you!


Hello my student, Wael :wavey:


Change of plans. You have a point! I've decided to reply to your comments :D I woke up this morning energized!!!

Yes exactly, then why are you calling your religion as “Christianity” ? Does the Bible <b>describe</b> Jesus' religion as Christianity? Does Jesus himself ever call his faith as Christianity? <b>NO</b>... so you too should not call your religion as Christianity because it was NOT mentioned in the Bible... <b>NOT EVEN ONCE.</b> so don’t blame the Anglican Church, all what they said is that:


Christ's miracles, the virgin birth and the resurrection <b>MIGHT</b> not have happened <b>EXACTLY</b> as described in the Bible.

"Christian" simply refers to a follower of Christ.


The Anglican Church didn't say that, one of its members did. He's free to say whatever he wants, but the thing is, when you start questioning one belief, what's to stop you from questioning more? That's how Martin Luther's revolt began. The definition of a "Protestant" is someone who protests against the truth. It's not a wise move!

<b>Jesus never taught trinity</b>, unless you bring some verses from your Book of authority to support your claim (i.e that Jesus revealed this supernatural truth to the world etc) then you should not promote such thing.

Yalla hurry!!! Read my thread on 'Discussion of Beliefs' before it disappears.

If you believe in the above verses, then you should also know that somewhere else in the Qur’an, God informed us that those <b>ORIGINAL</b> scriptures were corrupted by the hands of men to conceal a lot of its truth. and that’s why I always ask you where are your original scriptures?

Really? I didn't know that! Could you please provide me with the Sura/Ayat? Thanks :) I mentioned the names of our ancient manuscripts that date back to the early centuries AD (Chester Beatty Papyri, Bodmer Papyri, Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus). They agree to what we read today in our Catholic Bibles.

Sure no comments, because you have only red this verse and for some reasons you were not able to continue reading in order for you to understand the meaning of this verse.

I think the following Ayat states that I have a heart condition. Could it be that I'm infected with the Infinite Love of Christ which I pray will spread all over my body. Look out... it's contagious ;)

Yes but there are <b>MANY MANY MANY</b> people do worship Mary and Jesus and have totally forgotten about the true Creator!!!, or in you terminology, they’ve forgotten their duty towards the FATHER... and so God wants Jesus pbuh himself to be witness over his followers, so he is asking him this question in order for Jesus to testify loudly and clearly infront of his followers that he did nothing but conveying God’s orders and delivering the same pure message of Abraham and Moses to his people (i.e that we should worship God alone, the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus). and not anyone else.

Wael, I'm speechless! I can't respond to this remark without disrespecting the Qur'an so I'm afraid I have no choice but to skip it & move on. What I can say is that Catholics only worship God & Jesus is the Son of God - the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. We honor Mother Mary in the same way Jesus honored her. She's a gift given to us by Jesus at the foot of the Cross. She is not divine.


Please allow me to edit what you said slightly to give you a better idea of where I stand...


<i>so <b>the Father</b> is asking <b>H</b>im this question in order for Jesus to testify loudly and clearly infront of his followers that he did nothing but conveying <b>the Father's will</b> and delivering the same pure message of Abraham and Moses to <b>H</b>is people (i.e that we should worship God alone, the God of Abraham, Moses). and not anyone else. </i>


:) :) :)

<b>Yes but from where did you get such prayer? who teach you this prayer? and why do you make the sign of Cross where in fact it was not pracriced by Jesus and it was NOT mentioned in the Bible? </b>

The Sign of the Cross is the prayer of the baptized. Jesus Christ told His Apostles to "baptize all nations in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (St Matthew 28:19). We cross ourselves because Jesus asked us to deny ourselves & carry our cross daily (St Luke 9:23). The Christian begins his day, his prayers, & his activities with the Sign of the Cross. The baptized person dedicates the day to the glory of God & calls on the Son's grace which let's him act in the Spirit as an adopted child of the Father. The Sign of the Cross strengthens us in temptations & difficulties.

But you also say <b>AND, AND , AND </b> after each name which indicate that you are praying <b>to three persons</b>… now you are calling these three persons one, which is NOT understandable as we’ve discussed earlier.

Yes! We are praying to Three distinct Persons - the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit - One God. I don't have any problems understanding or accepting this truth. I've tried to simplify it for you in 'Discussion of Beliefs'. Here's a sneak peek...





Now the Catholic faith is this,

that we worship One God in the Trinity and the Trinity in Unity,


neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the substance.


The Person of the Father is distinct, the Person of the Son is distinct, the Person of the Holy Ghost is distinct;


but of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost


the Divinity is One, the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal.


As the Father is, such is the Son, such is the Holy Ghost:


Uncreated is the Father, Uncreated is the Son, Uncreated is the Holy Ghost;


Infinite is the Father, Infinite is the Son, Infinite is the Holy Ghost;


Eternal is the Father, Eternal is the Son, Eternal is the Holy Ghost;


Any yet not three eternals, but One Eternal.


As there are not three uncreated, not three infinites, but One Uncreated and One Infinite.


Likewise, Almighty is the Father, Almighty is the Son, Almighty is the Holy Ghost;


And yet not three almighties, but One Almighty.


So the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God;


And yet there are not three gods; there is but One God.


So the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Ghost is Lord;


And yet there are not three lords; there is but One Lord.


For we are compelled by Christian truth to confess that each Person is God and Lord;


so are we forbidden by the Catholic religion to say that there are three gods or lords.


The Father is made by none; not created, nor begotten.


The Son is from the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten.


The Holy Ghost is from the Father and the Son; not made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.


Therefore, there is One Father, not three fathers;


there is One Son, not three sons;


there is One Holy Ghost, not three holy ghosts.


And in this Trinity there is none before or after, none greater or less;


but all Three Persons are co-eternal and co-equal.


So that, in all respects, as is aforesaid,


we must worship both the Unity of the Trinity and the Trinity in Unity.


(DS 75: Solemn Teaching of the Church - 5th Century AD)



Wael, take care & God bless you.

Faith Hope Charity wrote:


> It's like talking to a brick wall I'm becoming brain-dead.


Welcome to the club!


I must admit, FHC, that I've been watching your "wel_mel_2 debates" with a certain morbid fascination, and wondering how long you could keep it up. You've certainly lasted longer than I did. Come to think of it, I think you've lasted longer than any other Christian poster I've seen debate with Wel_mel_2. Well done.


I've often found, when having religious discussions on the web, that at some point it is necessary to invoke Matthew 10:14. Perhaps you've reached that point with Wel_mel_2.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Dude, please jump in & have your say!


I've actually added Wael to my planner. I allocate time during the day to reply to his posts - LOL!


I'm literally running on empty. The Holy Spirit has taken over.


I'm surprised you chose that verse over St Matthew 7:6 ;)


Let's wait & see how many more rounds we can go - hehe!


God bless.