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Qadar
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Glory be to the Father & to the Son & to the Holy Spirit.


Peace be with you!


Wael, you're in China? As in Communist China??? Look out, bro! Don't pray out on the street, you might get arrested (God forbid).




Quote:Ask him to show the references of those ‘numerous Ayats and Hadiths’ and we may explain them to you if you wish, ask him to provide further proofs regarding this "tiny minority of Muslims accept the notion of free will” and that the majority reject it… !!!

I don't know when I'm going to see him next. He said that Sunnis hold a strong belief in pre-destination. I know you guys don't like to differentiate between Muslims so that's why I said "minority" instead of mentioning denominations.


Anyways, I did some research on the side & managed to find some references...


The Noble Qur'an Al-Hadid 57:22



"No calamity befalls on the earth or in yourselves


but is inscribed in the Book of Decrees -- (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz),


before We bring it into existence. Verily, that is easy for Allah"


The Noble Qur'an - At-Tauba 9:51


Say: "Nothing shall ever happen to us except what Allah has ordained for us. He is our Maula (Lord, Helper and Protector)." And in Allah let the believers put their trust.


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Qamar 54:53


And everything, small and big is written (in Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz already beforehand i.e. before it befalls, or is done by its doer).


The Noble Qur'an - At-Takwir 81:28-29


To whomsoever among you who wills to walk straight, And you will not, unless (it be) that Allâh wills, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).


Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4:621, Narrated Abu Huraira


Allah's Apostle said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam, 'You are Adam whose mistake expelled you from Paradise.' Adam said to him, 'You are Moses whom Allah selected as His Messenger and as the one to whom He spoke directly; yet you blame me for a thing which had already been written in my fate before my creation?' " Allah's Apostle said twice, "So, Adam overpowered Moses."


Hadith - Bukhari, Narrated Anas bin Malik


The Prophet said, "Allah has appointed an angel in the womb, and the angel says, 'O Lord! A drop of discharge (i.e. of semen), O Lord! a clot, O Lord! a piece of flesh.' And then, if Allah wishes to complete the child's creation, the angel will say. 'O Lord! A male or a female? O Lord! wretched or blessed (in religion)? What will his livelihood be? What will his age be?' The angel writes all this while the child is in the womb of its mother."


Hadith - Tirmidhi and Ahmad, Narrated Matar ibn Ukamis


Allah's Messenger said: When Allah decrees that a person is to die in a certain land, He creates a need for him to go there.


Hadith - Tirmidhi and Ahmad, Narrated AbudDarda'


Allah's Messenger said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, has ordained for every servant amongst His creation five things: his death, his action, his abode, the places of his moving about and his means of sustenance.


Hadith - Al-Tabrezi, Mishkat Al-Messabih


Allah has written for the son of Adam his inevitable share of adultery whether he is aware of it or not.


Muslim Creedal Statement - based on Qur'an 37:94


God’s one possible quality is His power to create good or evil at any time He wishes, that is His decree.... Both good things and evil things are the result of God’s decree. It is the duty of every Muslim to believe this.... It is He who causes harm and good. Rather the good works of some and the evil of others are signs that God wishes to punish some and to reward others. If God wishes to draw someone close to Himself, then He will give him the grace which will make that person do good works. If He wishes to reject someone and put that person to shame, then He will create sin in him. God creates all things, good and evil. God creates people as well as their actions: "He created you as well as what you do".


Hadith - Haqq 152


Abu Bakr and Umar came to the Apostle of Allah. Said he, "What is it you are disputing about that causes you to raise your voices so and cmake such a clammer?" "It is about the decree" they answered, "Abu Bakr asserts that Allah decrees good but does not decree evil, but Umar says that he decrees both alike." Mohammad replied, "The decree necessarily determines all that is good and sweet, and all that bitter. That is my decision between you." Then he slapped Abu Bakr on the shoulder and said, "Oh Abu Bakr, if Allah most high had not willed that there be disobedience, He would not have created the Devil."


Wael, I just want you to know that my purpose is not to argue or prove you wrong. I'm just trying to learn & understand your perception of Allah's world.


Thanks Mate!


God bless.

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