02-09-2007, 02:55 AM
Bismillah:
Quote:I stand by my "claim". Your apologetic's explanation implies that the Ayat is outdated & no longer valid. Of course this is not the case because as a Muslim, you must believe that the Qur'an is timeless. That command applies today just as much as it did 1500 years ago.
It is valid of course and can be applied to any similar situation today, but you cant just read it out of context and say that the Qur’an said so and so… this is only during War… not just by being a Non Muslim that will give me any right to kill you, <b>this is lame</b>!! and also you have to read the following verses to understand the entire command of God, that if an enemy asked for asylum, he should be granted what he asked for and to be sent to a place of security, WHEN?????? During War also.
Do you know that according to the Bible, <b>you should execute me if I invited you to Islam?</b> Ohhhh please don’t tell me this is the OT and that we should not follow it , because if you believe that Jesus is God, then to me he is the God of Old and New Testament as well (remember father and son cannot be separated). So read what Jesus said, and please remember that the Jews today are following <i>ONLY</i> the OT; <b>so are you against the Jews if they follow and obey this command of God? </b>
Quote:I totally agree that Islam is a peaceful religion... but only if you are a Muslim!!!
Oh yeah, and that’s why when Prophet Muhammad pbuh came back to Mecca after years of persecution on the hands of Pagans, they expected Muhammad pbuh to kill thme, or to make them slaves, or take away their properties as they did to him in the past; they were extremely worried and wondered what declaration Prophet Muhammad pbuh was going to make. <b>But what did he do FHC??? </b> He told them:
<b>what do you expect me to do?</b> They answered <b>you are a generous brother and a son of a generous brother</b>… so he told them <b>“Today there will be no blame on you for anything and no one will harm you anyway, go you are totally free</b>.
He didn’t even ask them to embrace Islam, <b>There is no other such example in the history of mankind to show this excellent behavior towards the enemies</b>. If Islam is a peaceful religion only among Muslims, then the Prophet pbuh should have not left any Non Muslim in Mecca the moment he conquest it.
Also the Prophet once said: <b>“I shall plead on the day of judgment on behalf of a disbeliever who was harmed or whose due right was diminished or if more than bearable pressure was exerted on him or if something was taken from him without his consent by a believer.”</b>
This is sufficient enough to refute your statement.
Quote:Wael, generally speaking, I know how you feel about this issue & you know how I feel. It is pointless to keep coming back to it. I have read Muslimah's thread on apostasy & jihad & quite frankly, unless certain Ayats miraculously disappear from every copy of the Qur'an, you & I will never see eye to eye. I'm letting it go, man, because it is just too devastating. I cannot blame you because you are simply trying to obey Allah's command & do what you think is right. I am just grateful that the majority of Muslims in the West have traded in these Ayats for the UDHR. Insh a Allah, more Muslims will jump on board too. If not, then I will stash some money away in case I have to pay jaziya down the track. So be it! Jesus lives in my heart!
You people think that we are not aware of what is happening in the West? I just came back from Europe and visited Germany, France, Italy and Spain… I enjoyed talking to Italians inside this amazing Church called <b>“Doumo Church”</b>… I also met a lot of Muslims who strive hard to clarify these misconceptions amongst Non Muslims and so far they are successful masha Allah and the proof is that I was treated with all respect wherever I go and whenever people know that I am a Muslim. Alhamdulelah.
And by the way, Jesus pbuh and all other righteous Prophets live in our heart too.
Salam
Wael