Bismillah:
Assalamo Alikum.
Quote:Hehe! You're off the hook... so is every other Muslim! I realized I was asking for too much. Oh well!
You are asking us to understand something which is not understandable… That’s all.
Quote:JESUS' DIVINITY WAS UNTOUCHED!!! GOD CANNOT BE SEPARATED - GOD IS ONE!!!
When the Son of God walked the earth, He didn't cease being God. He took on a human nature - distinct from His divine nature.
Ok I will not pose any more comments. Let the viewers of this thread decides whether this make sense or not.
Quote:Whoa! It's over 500 pages! Initially, I thought about mailing/posting you a copy. I have some audio tapes. I might be able to transfer them onto my PC & send them to you. Let me see what I can do for you, Mate!
Thanks for your kindness, but this is going to cost you a lot of money :D I just don’t wanna bother you. You may start with emailing me the tapes first, then let’s see…
Quote:I don't see the connection in these verses, but as for Jeremiah 1:5 - that's one of my favourites in the Old Testament! Do you know why? Because it forbids abortion God in all His Omniscience & Omnipotence creates us with a purpose in life. He handpicks (so to speak) each & every soul that's brought forth into the world. Moves me to tears
We have discussed this topic before, no need to repeat ourselves again and again…
Quote:Do you honestly think that the beggar was indicating that he's God when asked if he's the beggar?
NO neither do I really think that Jesus was claiming Divinity when he said before Abraham was I am. it's ambiguous
Quote:Haha! I don't think so, Wael! I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt as I'm assuming you haven't actually read the verses in their entire passages
There is no need to show me how smart you are, I already declared that you are smart :D ... the verses of the Bible already interpreted in many differents ways, and all of them may make sense, but no one until this day can decided which interpretation is the truth.
Quote:I've caught you! Now I know for sure that you're not consulting the Bible because I just noticed that I accidentally quoted the wrong Evangelist & you didn't pick it up - LOL! It's St Luke's Gospel not St John's.
Wael, please provide with real responses! If I want answers from an Islamic Apologist, I'd visit their websites myself. You said you were trying to understand, but it's obvious you don't really care.
If you read the passages, you'll realize the difference between worshipping God & showing reverence through an act of humility.
<b>ATTENTION PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!</b>
<b>Judge not, and ye shall not be judged</b>:.... REMEMBER?
Of course I am aware of this kind of argument (that people worshiped Jesus according to the Bible as Christians claims) and that’s why I’ve responded to this point and didn’t notice the reference that you have quoted. Don’t be quick in your judgment and don’t be so picky… :D
For your information, St John and Mathew also have recorded similar incidents where people worshipped Jesus, you may look at John 9:38, Matthew 28:17. but please note that the word translated as "worshipped" in both verses is the GREEK word <b>"prosekunesan"</b> which is derived from the root word <b>proskuneo</b> {pros-ku-neh'-o}. The literal meaning of this word is: <b>"to kiss, like a dog licking his masters hand." </b> This word also has the general meaning of <b>"bow, crouch, crawl, kneel or prostrate." </b> Please check the Strong's concordance for the true meaning of this word. Is the act of kissing someone's hand the same as worshipping him? <b>Once again, Christians used to do “selective translation” to suite their beliefs.</b>
Now, when you compare the meaning of the word ‘worship’ with the verses that I’ve quoted from the OT you will see no difference.
<b>But what did I really ask you to show me?</b> I asked you to show me <b>ONE SINGLE VERSE QUOTED BY JESUS HIMSELF WHERE HE SAID I AM GOD ALMIGHTY, OR WHERE HE SAID WORSHIP ME. Do you have such verses? Yes or no? </b>
Quote:When you study the Old & New Testaments without an ulterior motive, it becomes crystal clear that Jesus is the Son of God. I recommend you buy a Bible with Catholic commentary to assist you in interpreting verses. Otherwise learn Hebrew & Greek & read the ancient manuscripts!
again and again, I don’t object using the term son of God, BUT <b>the term son of God does not mean God Himself.</b>
Plus, I do have the Catholic Version of the Bible and also I have the Jerusalem Bible that was brought to me by an Israeli friend from Jerusalem, (I also have bunch of other Bible versions).
Where are the ancient manuscripts that you are talking about?
Quote:You know, I can't picture Jesus Christ explicitly bragging about His divinity.
That’s all what I need to hear from you, no where in the Bible will we ever see Jesus declaring Divinity, unlike the God of the OT. So I don’t believe that Jesus was God.
<b>END OF THE STORY… </b>
I do respect what you believe anyway...
Quote:The Son of God is the Son of God. A son of God is a son of God. Pretty self-explanatory & not confusing one bit!
are you making distinction between "The" and "A"? doesnt the Bible say "That<b> THE SONS OF GOD </b> saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took wives of all which they chose"
Anyway, being the son of God does not mean that Jesus himself is God, how can anyone be the son of God and God Himself at the same moment, can anyone be the son of himself??? can we have a tall short man at the same time???
Quote:Please keep in mind what I said ages ago... Jesus is the Son of God... but... God is not Jesus! God is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Very important!
Ok I will agree with you on the first part… God is not Jesus (which also means that Jesus is not God... what I was saying ages ago)… but to say that all of them formed the same one God, then I would conclude that neither of them is a Complete God. am sorry, the second part of your statement is always confusing and no human mind could ever comprehend.
Quote:Okie dokie! You seem to be more interested in questioning my beliefs than expressing your own - hahaha!
I just answer what am really sure of, I cannot offer any answer without certain knowledge.
Please note that I’ve not responded to many of your points on this post because I found that am going only to repeat myself and that is not going to benefit anybody.
Salam and may Allah open your heart to His way. Ameen.
Wael.