02-02-2007, 03:37 AM
In the Name of God - Father Son Holy Spirit.
May the peace of Christ be with you!
Alhamdulelah…
Hehe! You're off the hook... so is every other Muslim! I realized I was asking for too much. Oh well!
So ONLY death did separate The Father from the Son, so don’t say that both cannot be separated.
:banghead: I'm blaming it on a communication breakdown!
JESUS' DIVINITY WAS UNTOUCHED!!! GOD CANNOT BE SEPARATED - GOD IS ONE!!!
When the Son of God walked the earth, He didn't cease being God. He took on a human nature - distinct from His divine nature.
<b>END OF STORY!!!</b> From now on, I'll be directing you to a Catholic forum - LOL!
Believe me if your explanation was sufficient enough,I would've never mention these points again, still I cannot see that Father and Son are equal.
Sorry Mate :(
I'm trying my best!
You mean by email? Yes sure I will appreciate it.
Whoa! It's over 500 pages! Initially, I thought about mailing/posting you a copy. I have some audio tapes. I might be able to transfer them onto my PC & send them to you. Let me see what I can do for you, Mate!
Historian Will Durant observed: "Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it….From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity."
To put it nicely... I refuse to even dignify that with an answer!
Because the fact that Jesus pbuh was present before Abraham pbuh is not the same as him saying "I am God, worship me!" What then would we say about Solomon pbuh (Proverbs 8:22-31) and Melchizedec (Hebrews 7:3), who were supposedly present not only before Abraham, but also before all of creation?
"I AM" is used to <b>refer to God</b> only twice in the whole Bible... both times by God Himself.
<i>Proverbs 8:22-31</i> Hehe! Solomon is talking about "Wisdom" not himself or another person.
Whoever read the Bible & gave you these quotes out of context is not doing you or himself any favours.
<i>Hebrews 7:3 </i> Um... this one's a bit complicated if you're unfamiliar with the tribe of Levi in the O/T (descendents from Abraham). The Levitical Priesthood was sustained by hereditary succession, whereas, the order of Melchizadek originated with him, not his ancestors. It's superior to that of the Levites & lasts forever because Jesus Christ, the eternal High Priest, belongs to it. If you read on in the chapter, it'll make more sense to you.
What about the many others who were either anointed, consecrated or made holy, before their births. (see Ps.89:20, Is. 45:1, 61:1, 1 Sam. 24:6, and Jer.1:5)?
I don't see the connection in these verses, but as for <i>Jeremiah 1:5 </i> - that's one of my favourites in the Old Testament! Do you know why? Because it forbids abortion :) :) :) God in all His Omniscience & Omnipotence creates us with a purpose in life. He handpicks (so to speak) each & every soul that's brought forth into the world. Moves me to tears :wub:
Plus, not only Jesus who used the words I AM, if you want to compare between Exodus 3:14 with that of John 8:59… please note that in John 9:9, a beggar who was healed by prophet Jesus used these exact same words used by Jesus ("I am") to refer to himself.
Again... context! Read those verses YOURSELF & stop consulting Islamic websites - LOL! What was Jesus Christ claiming when He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"? Similarly, God told Moses to say, "I AM sent me to you". Jesus' response that He is the true Son of God was considered blasphemes by the Sandhedrin & consequently, He was condemned to death, because they didn't like what they were hearing. Do you honestly think that the beggar was indicating that he's God when asked if he's the beggar? Haha! I don't think so, Wael! I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt as I'm assuming you haven't actually read the verses in their entire passages :D
"St John tells us that Jesus' disciples worshipped Him (St John 24:52)."
"Worship" is one of those English words which carry a double meaning. The one most popular among most people is "to pray to." This is the meaning that immediately springs into everyone's mind when they read this word. However, "worship" has another meaning. It also means "to respect," "to reverence," or "to adore" .
Now you may interpret "kneeling down before Jesus." As praying to him, in this case we will have to ask the Bible to explain further:
I've caught you! Now I know for sure that you're not consulting the Bible because I just noticed that I accidentally quoted the wrong Evangelist & you didn't pick it up - LOL! It's St Luke's Gospel not St John's.
Wael, please provide with real responses! If I want answers from an Islamic Apologist, I'd visit their websites myself. You said you were trying to understand, but it's obvious you don't really care.
If you read the passages, you'll realize the difference between worshipping God & showing reverence through an act of humility.
And so on… what we really need to see is clear statement from the master himself, because if he was God, he would never hesitate to declare it plainly to avoid all this kind of confusion. If he was God of the OT, then why he don’t repeat himself EVEN ONCE as saying for example,“I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, BEFORE ME THERE IS NO OTHER GOD, or I AM THE LORD BEFORE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR????
When you study the Old & New Testaments without an ulterior motive, it becomes crystal clear that Jesus is the Son of God. I recommend you buy a Bible with Catholic commentary to assist you in interpreting verses. Otherwise learn Hebrew & Greek & read the ancient manuscripts!
You know, I can't picture Jesus Christ explicitly bragging about His divinity. Think of it in this way... I can walk around on a day to day basis declaring that I'm a Christian, but I don't, because I'd prefer people associate Christianity with my actions, not my words. Get it?
I said it many times FHC, I don’t have a problem if you call Jesus the son of God, (bear in mind that son of God does not mean GOD HIMSELF)
The Son of God is the Son of God. A son of God is a son of God. Pretty self-explanatory & not confusing one bit!
Please keep in mind what I said ages ago... Jesus is the Son of God... but... God is not Jesus! God is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Very important!
your Bibles are so many and each sect of Chritianity claims that their Bible is the truth.
Hehe! Don't worry, it confuses me too :confused_smile:
Ok you win the challenge if this will make you happy
It's not a competition ;)
No I was referring to Mathew15:24 where he said: <b> “I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”</b>
Okay! My bad! They're pretty similar verses. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant with the Jews & established a New Covenant with the world - all of God's people. The woman featured in the text you mentioned is a Canaanite. I don't expect you to know what I'm talking about - hehe!
Ms Picky, am not sure if Sister Muslimah already answered this question or not… in any case I will leave it to her insh a Allah.
Okie dokie! You seem to be more interested in questioning my beliefs than expressing your own - hahaha!
It's all good!
Take it easy, bro!
God bless.