01-30-2007, 12:58 PM
My Lord & my God!
May the peace of Christ be with you!
Quote:Bismillah:
<b>Then why I cannot get it? </b>
Don't worry about it. Maybe it's better if you don't get it.
Quote:If we agree for the sake of discussion that the Father and His son are co equal (and simultaneously co eternal), <b>then the Father also must have died when Jesus Crucified.</b> Otherwise we cannot call them co equal or co eternal.
For the millionth time... Jesus Christ experienced death in His humanity, not His divinity.
Quote:* Jesus declared that the Father is <b>GREATER than him </b> (not equal)
* Jesus declared that <b>no one (and he included himself) knows about the Day of Judgment except the Father </b> (not equal) If Jesus and God were equal then it follows that they will be equal in knowledge, which is not the case.
Wael, I explained point 1 to you in this thread, & I explained the 2nd point to you in another thread. If I thought there were other members/guests following this topic then I'd go through it again, but I have a feeling it's just you & I - hehe!
Quote:I am not asking for both either, I am honestly trying to understand it, <b>but since no one can explain it </b> (said St Augustine), then how can you expect us to understand something ambiguous?
St Augustine said that it's easier to count every grain of sand along the beach then to fully comprehend the dogma of the Blessed Trinity. He never doubted the truth though! Numerous theologians over the years have developed a better understanding of the Blessed Trinity. John Paul II wrote many incredible & truly profound homilies in which he related the Blessed Trinity to the communion of love & everlasting bond between a human family on earth. Of course, there's a huge difference between humans & God, however, JP2 spoke in human terms to emphasize the harmony between the Father, Son & Holy Spirit & unbreakable union between a husband, wife & their child. The collection of homilies were formed into a book titled "Theology of the Body." If you like, I can send you a copy :)
Quote:Believe me FHC, am not playing any games… frankly speaking, I have no time for playing such games, and if my intention is to test you or to waste your time, then I shall expect no reward from God Almighty… am honestly asking you a very simple question (please read my statement carfully) because I myself till this day did not find any clear statement from the lips of Jesus himself where he plainly said "I am God Almighty, therefore worship me". There is none.
Why did you tell me not to mention, "Before Abraham was, I am" ("I am" is what God said to Moses on Mt Sinai). St John tells us that Jesus' disciples worshipped Him (St John 24:52).
Wael, let me ask you a reverse question... if you were a Christian meditating on Scripture, how could you not know that Jesus is the Son of God?
Quote:Bismillah:
That is really funny, in your post# 15 in thread “Three Beloved Prophets of Islam” when I told you about my wife’s miscarriage, then you said to me…
<b>My Lord & My God!</b>
Did anyone here understand that I am God (Astaghfurullah) ??? :D
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If you think that I'd foolishly break God's Commandments, then you don't know me as well as I thought you did!
Like St Thomas, Christians say "My Lord & My God" when they feel that He is near. I say it as soon as I wake up in the morning, when I hop in my car, before a meal, in unfortunate situations when I acknowledge His presence & ask for His divine assistance (like the other day after I'd just found out about your baby), etc.
I guess I need to keep in mind that I'm chatting to Muslims not Christians & they're not going to automatically understand what I mean. Anyways, I'm happy to teach as well as learn.
An exclamation mark indicates just that... <i>exclamation</i>. As you're aware, I use it a lot! Because I speak with such enthusiasm & excitement! It's a positive outcry.
Every Muslim I speak to has identical (word for word) objections/arguments. Where do you learn this stuff, man? LOL!
I'm challenging you to think for yourself!
Quote:Christian scholars such as Theodore of Mopsuestia (c.350-428), the Bishop of Mopsuestia, interpreted this verse to not be directed at Jesus but at God "the Father." Thus, it is similar in meaning to our modern exclamations of surprise "My God!" or "My Lord!." In other words, this was an outburst designed to display surprise and disbelief rather than an affirmation that Jesus was in fact God.
Theodore of Mopsuestia (RIP) never denied Christ's divinity, however, he did teach multiple other heresies. He was one step away from excommunication. He mended his relationship with the Church before his death.
By the way, the only person on earth who's infallible on doctrines regarding faith & morals is the Pope when he's teaching ex-Cathedra.
Quote:That’s why I said earlier, that there is no where in the Bible any clear statement from Jesus himself claiming divinity… all verses that you may show are open for many interpretations. But as you know well, God is not the author of confusion!!!
You are referring to Chapter 19 called Mary… Here Allah wanted to make Jesus as a sign for man. What this basically means is that Allah wanted <b>the virgin birth to signify a mighty miracle and mighty proof and sign of God</b>, because such a thing was impossible and unthinkable. <b>But his message was meant only to the Jews</b> and not to the whole of mankind, as it is also mentioned in the Bible that Jesus said “ <b>I WAS NOT SEN BUT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL</b>”
Big mistake! The Bible is not open to interpretation. No no no! Of course, God's not the author of confusion. It's Satan who tries to brainwash us.
Quote:You are referring to Chapter 19 called Mary… Here Allah wanted to make Jesus as a sign for man. What this basically means is that Allah wanted <b>the virgin birth to signify a mighty miracle and mighty proof and sign of God</b>, because such a thing was impossible and unthinkable. <b>But his message was meant only to the Jews</b> and not to the whole of mankind, as it is also mentioned in the Bible that Jesus said “ <b>I WAS NOT SEN BUT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL</b>”
Thanks for the clarification!
If you're referring to St Matthew 10:5, Jesus sent His apostles out on their first mission they were to avoid preaching to the Gentiles/Samaritans for the time being & spread the good news amongst Jews. The change-over from the old to the new people of God is taking place. Jesus Christ & His followers (St Paul in particular later revealed the Gospel to non-Jews).
Quote:No you were born as a Muslim, The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist."
I leave this part for sister Muslimah to answer insh a Allah.
As you know by now, I'm a perfectionist. I need to know EVERYTHING!!! Any idea why Allah would allow my parents to do that - turn me into a Christian?
I'll speak to you soon, Insh a Allah :)
Look after yourself!