01-29-2007, 01:15 PM
Quote:Bismillah:
Assalamo Alikum FHC
In the Name of God - Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier.
Wa alaykum al salam :)
Quote:Where in the above verses where Jesus declares that he did anything on his own power? In facts he admits that he was given the power by God (NOT HIS OWN)…
I do not want to argue about this much. But to be honest with you, I cannot see anywhere in the Bible where Jesus pbuh was doing anything on his own, all the works that he have done is God's (The Father if you would like to call Him), which mean to me that Jesus pbuh was not God.
I gave you ingredients to bake the cake yourself but all you did was make a mess in my kitchen - LOL!
We're not arguing, just discussing. I'm happy to carry on & I'm happy to stop - it's your call.
The passage clearly indicates that the Father & Son are co-equal. You don't even need a Catechism to work that one out.
I know that the idea of the Blessed Trinity is frowned upon in Islam & that's cool. There's a difference between understanding a truth & accepting it. I'm not asking for both.
Quote:Very interesting verse… is there any verse similar to this where he said indeed I am God Almighty? (Please don’t quote “before Abraham was I am” because its vague and does not really mean that he is God)
Wael, it's obvious that you're just testing me - LOL! I'll play your game, brother :P
St John 20:28-29 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe."
Yes, yes, yes... I know every Islamic apologist has a rebuttal for this verse. You can humour me all you like :D Just remember that taking God's name in vain is a breach of the 2nd Commandment, no Jew, let alone Christ, would condone such sin. & we've already touched on the Psalm Jesus recited whilst being crucified upon the Cross (My God, My God...), so please don't bring that up again. Best to just let it go!
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Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who dwells in me is doing his works.
according to Jesus the Father is dwelling in everyone, however this verse is another declaration from the lips of the master that the Father is the doer of all these great works and not Jesus. (in other words, Jesus is not doing anything on his own).
The Holy Spirit dwells within everybody.
Please read the first sentence of that verse again.
The Father & the Son cannot be separated.
One God, remember?
Quote:Not only Muslims who regard Muhammad pbuh as the greatest of all human beings, please allow me to quote unbiased historians, friendly critics and even avowed enemies and see what they said about that mighty messenger of God Muhammad pbuh. If the tributes of the non Muslims do not touch your heart, then there is nothing more can be said FHC…
That's awesome, Wael!
I value their opinion but I'm quite capable of forming my own. Besides, I didn't say anything contrary to their statements, all I did was ask a simple question - LOL!
John Lennon once topped a list of "The Most Influential People Ever". Jesus Christ & Mohammad (PBUH) were featured in the top 20. From memory, Moses beat them both.
Different strokes for different folks!
Quote:This link answers your question smart lady :)
Muhammad pbuh
Merci smart gentleman :)
"All prophets were sent to their own people for their own time (Ibrahim 14:4), but Prophet Muhammad was sent to all people for all time to come (Saba’ 34:28)."
I thought the Qur'an reveals that the Blessed Virgin Mary & her Son, Jesus Christ, were sent as a sign to ALL nations (I can't remember which sura/ayat but I can always find out for you if you're unfamiliar with it). Is that relevent at all to the above quote?
Quote:Your goal and intention are clear and we believe you. Also our intention not to convert anyone to Islam, this is not our job, it’s only through Allah’s Guidance and Mercy do people find their way to Islam.
Thanks for believing me :) Is it Allah's will that I be a Christian? Muslims hold a very strong belief in predestination, right? Perhaps I'm the way I am because that's what Allah decrees. Yes or no??? I have no idea!!!
Shukran Wael! Take care & God bless.