12-30-2006, 01:54 AM
<b>Peace be with all!</b>
Here is probably the last entry Jacques will post for a while. Please keep him in your prayers. Thanks!
First of all, I am sorry for the confusion that resulted from having my friend 'Faith Hope Charity' post my words for me. I have registered several days ago but I still can't post anything.
Mr. AlShamms:
Quote:Yet in your quest to be correct you've called me ignorant
Yes, because you said "<i>It is taught in Roman dogma that the Mass is the resacrificing of Jesus Christ."</i> This could be said either by ignorance or by malice. I prefer to think that it was by ignorance. If you knew that this statement was false and said it by malice, please correct me.
You also said "<i>In practice, however, the wine ("blood") is withheld from the laity</i>", which is also untrue, since 1) the blood of Christ is received under either species 2) Eastern rites administer the holy mystery under both species.
You also said "<i>The Egyptian belief likely is what was incorporated into the syncretistic "Christianity" of the late Roman Empire,</i>" when in reality we see explicit statements of the Church's belief in Transubstantiation & the Real Presence since the 1st & 2nd centuries.
You also did not know that "remembrance" is a specific type of sacrifice described throughout the Sacred Scriptures.
I think you made these errors by ignorance and not by malice.
Quote:and stated I don't interpret scripture as well as Satan does.
That's not exactly what I meant :)
I meant: Satan himself quoted the Sacred Scriptures and interpreted them in a false way (cf. Mat. 4). What makes your interpretations of the Sacred Scriptures better than Satan's interpretations? If your authority of interpretation is the same as Satan's (or even inferior), then why do you believe in it, and try to convince us of it ?
I don't accept Satan's interpretations of the Sacred Scriptures, why should I accept yours? What makes your interpretations of the Sacred Scriptures better than Satan's?
Quote:For instance in order for them to consider what you say, you must prove your ability to interpret scripture to their approval.
I don't just accept anyone's interpretations of the Sacred Scriptures, since Satan himself quoted and interpreted the Sacred Scriptures. Unless you give me a valid reason & show me your authority that makes me accept your interpretation, I will not even begin to consider it.
I refuse to discuss any Scriptures with you simply because you, like Satan, have no authority to interpret them.
You don't even have any real basis to consider them God's inspired word (since your only divine authority is the Bible, and the Bible nowhere gives a list of inspired books). You accept that this collection of books is God's word based on human tradition, you interpret them according to human understanding, and say to us: "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written..."
The same goes for Mr. Albert Barnes.
Rightly did St. Vincent of Lerins say of you in A.D. 495:
[68.] But some one will say, What proof have we that the Devil is wont to appeal to Holy Scripture? Let him read the Gospels wherein it is written, "Then the Devil took Him (the Lord the Saviour) and set Him upon a pinnacle of the Temple, and said unto Him: If you be the Son of God, cast yourself down, for it is written, He shall give His angels charge concerning you, that they may keep you in all your ways: In their hands they shall bear you up, lest perchance you dash your foot against a stone." What sort of treatment must men, insignificant wretches that they are, look for at the hands of him who assailed even the Lord of Glory with quotations from Scripture? "If you be the Son of God," says he, "cast yourself down." Wherefore? "For," says he, "it is written." It behoves us to pay special attention to this passage and bear it in mind, that, warned by so important an instance of evangelical authority, we may be assured beyond doubt, when we find people alleging passages from the Apostles or Prophets against the Catholic Faith, that the Devil speaks through their mouths. For as then the Head spoke to the Head, so now also the members speak to the members, the members of the Devil to the members of Christ, misbelievers to believers, sacrilegious to religious, in one word, Heretics to Catholics.
[69.] But what do they say? "If you be the Son of God, cast yourself down;" that is, If you would be a son of God, and would receive the inheritance of the Kingdom of Heaven, cast yourself down; that is, cast yourself down from the doctrine and tradition of that sublime Church, which is imagined to be nothing less than the very temple of God. And if one should ask one of the heretics who gives this advice, How do you prove? What ground have you, for saying, that I ought to cast away the universal and ancient faith of the Catholic Church? he has the answer ready, "For it is written;" and forthwith he produces a thousand testimonies, a thousand examples, a thousand authorities from the Law, from the Psalms, from the apostles, from the Prophets, by means of which, interpreted on a new and wrong principle, the unhappy soul may be precipitated from the height of Catholic truth to the lowest abyss of heresy. Then, with the accompanying promises, the heretics are wont marvellously to beguile the incautious. For they dare to teach and promise, that in their church, that is, in the conventicle of their communion, there is a certain great and special and altogether personal grace of God, so that whosoever pertain to their number, without any labour, without any effort, without any industry, even though they neither ask, nor seek, nor knock, have such a dispensation from God, that, borne up by angel hands, that is, preserved by the protection of angels, it is impossible they should ever dash their feet against a stone, that is, that they should ever be offended. (ch. 26)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3506.htm
<b>I will just add one thing... Shamms, I do not even the authority to interpret Scripture, being Catholic & all. I cannot expect anybody to accept my private interpretation. Christ instructed St Peter to bind all believers by teaching, governing & sanctifying them in truth. Sacred Scripture & Sacred Tradition cannot be seperated.</b>
God bless you & yours.