Question to Catholics

[Faith Hope Charity]

<b>From Jacques...</b>

It is taught in Roman dogma that the Mass is the resacrificing of Jesus Christ.

Wrong. Protestantism lives on ignorance, case in point. Once a Protestant knows, he will no longer remain a Protestant.

In practice, however, the wine ("blood") is withheld from the laity

Wrong again. Protestantism thrives on such ignorance. Christ is totally present under both species of bread and wine, thus to receive Him under the species of bread or wine means you have received all of Christ.


Furthermore, you are refering to the custom of the Latin rite, Eastern rites administer the holy sacrament under both species.

This very act alone shows the unscripturalness of this practice

You have no advantage over Satan in quoting and explaining the Sacred Scriptures.

Catholic apologists will sometimes calumniate by saying that the Mass is not a direct resacrifice

Calumniate ?! No, we simply point out to the ignorant and the malicious that we don't believing in any resacrificing.

"Re-presents" is defined specifically as "making present", hence the belief is in the "real presence" of the body and blood of Christ in the host and wine.

The two are not related. The making present of Christ's sacrifice is not why we say Christ is "really present" in the Holy Eucharist. We say "Real Presence" to confirm that Christ is present substantially (in His substance).


I will pass over your attempts at explaining Scriptures since, like I said, you have no advantage over Satan in quoting and interpreting the Sacred Scriptures. Once you can show me that you have an advantage over Satan in quoting and interpreting the Sacred Scriptures, we will discuss them.

The Egyptian belief likely is what was incorporated into the syncretistic "Christianity" of the late Roman Empire.

Ignorance strikes again. The Church has always believed in the Real Presence & the Transubstantiation, St. Paul explains it in his holy epistles, and you will abundantly find it in the writings of early Christians (for example, St. Ignatius of Antioch in AD107 defends it explicitly). Get some historical education and I will assure you that you will no longer remain a Protestant. Like the Anglican convert John Henry Newman said: whoever is deep in history ceases to be a Protestant. Try http://www.cin.org/users/jgallegos/realp.htm and http://www.cin.org/users/jgallegos/trans.htm

Here, Justin states that the bread and the cup were given to Christians for the purpose of remembrance.

Being ignorant of the Sacred Scriptures and the teachings of the holy Apostles, you are unaware that remembrance is a specific type of sacrifice. Read the website I gave you in my former post and you will have an idea on what "remembrance" really is.

Here we see Tertullian referring to the body of Christ as a "figure of bread". clearly saying that the identification is not to be taken literally.

"This tree it is which Jeremiah likewise gives you intimation of, when he prophesies to the Jews, who should say, 'Come, let us destroy the tree with the fruit, (the bread) thereof,' that is, His body. For so did God in your own gospel even reveal the sense, when He called His body bread; so that, for the time to come, you may understand that He has given to His body the figure of bread, whose body the prophet of old figuratively turned into bread, the Lord Himself designing to give by and by an interpretation of the mystery.""


Tertullian is not even talking about the Holy Eucharist, He is refuting the Docetist heretics who denied that Christ had real flesh, & one of his arguments is that the Holy Eucharist was Christ's real flesh :)


The sentence you quoted concerns the prophesy of Jeremiah which says that they will put the bread on a tree, Tertullian explains that by this prophesy Christ "He has given to His body the figure of bread", i.e. His body which will be crucified on a tree.


As for the other quote, when you provide references, we will explain.

So what you're saying is.... you eat Jesus' fingers, toes, and neck?

Of course. His Body was a real Body with fingers, toes, and a neck. When He says "Eat, this is My Body", that includes all of His Body.


However, as "Faith Hope Charity" has already pointed out, we don't eat Christ in parts, because He is wholly present in every particle of the sacred species.

Do you get a hair stuck in your teeth ever?

No, because it is eaten under the accidents of bread and wine :)


<b>By the way... the question I asked in my previous post is addressed to Muslims, not AlShamms. I didn't really specify...</b>


<b>"This might be a good time to ask you (Muslims) a question. My Muslim friend (he's not practicing) once told me that Muslims view the cross as a defeat & humiliation. Your thoughts??? Do Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was crucified? Where do Muslims believe Jesus Christ is right now? Thanks :)</b>



<b>God bless.</b>