Reminder For The Believer

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In the name of God - Father Son Holy Spirit.



May the peace of our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ, be with you!


<b>"You are totally going against the Catholic catechism…"</b>


Never!



<b>moreover; you are claiming that all of them have died on the cross by being SAME person and SAME essence. if this is wrong, then you can never call them ONE.</b>


Hehe! God can't die! Jesus Christ, the Son of God, assumed a human nature, therefore, He experience death in His humanity.



There is one God with one set of attributes (Quiescent Attributes - Eternity, Immensity & Omnipresence, & Immutability. Operative Attributes - Knowledge & Will. Other Attributes - Power, Holiness, Majesty, Wisdom & Goodness, Justice, providence, Truth, Mercy).


Jesus isn't ignorant of the hour of the second coming, but rather, He cannot reveal it, neither can men or angels, because it's reserved for the Father only to announce.


<b>And by the way, am not trying to teach you Catholicism, I am only trying to present to you my simple understanding, because am not going be so blind to believe in something which does not make sense “to me at least” (with due respect to you and your beliefs).</b>


Don't ever believe in anything you're unsure of & I encourage you to keep studying until it all makes sense to you!



<b>Subhan Allah, this was the translation of the Greek text of the Constantinopolitan form.. You may check this link. Nicene Creed</b>


Read it carefully! It says: the only begotten <b>Son of God</b> as opposed to the only [/b]begotten son<b> of God.</b>



But even if it was wrong (for the sake of discussion) , doesn’t the Bible (which is more important to you than any other Creed) say in John 3:16 “For GOD so loved the world, that he gave his only BEGOTTEN SON!!!” So here again your Bible clearly states that Jesus is the begotten son of God, so who are you to say that


Dude, throw out that dodgy version of the Bible & buy one with the following translation... <i>"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him" (RSV).</i>



<b>Didn’t he also say that: “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God” - (JOHN 20:17) Not only is God Jesus' father, but He is also his GOD</b>


Indeed! Jesus sent out a message to the Jews which echoed 2 Kings 2:9-12 & Ruth 1:16 <i>(Your people shall be my people, and your God my God).</i> The Father of Jesus will now become the Father of the diciples because, once ascended, Jesus can give the Spirit that comes from the Father & they can be reborn as God's sons. That's why He calls them "my brothers."



St Athanasius (4th Century AD) is the author of one of my favourite quotes... "The Son of God became the Son of Man so that the sons of man may become sons of God."


<b>"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord OUR GOD is one Lord:… Mark 12:29</b>


OUR GOD, including himself.


Jesus was simply quoting from Deuteronomy 6:4-5.



<b>most welcome to learn about Islam. however, please be informed that i am not arguing here, I am presenting my view point, you may accept it or reject it, it is totally up to you. And it is also good chance for me to learn something NEW about Catholicism from you. (if you don’t mind)</b>


I'm extremely grateful to this forum for giving me the opportunity to learn & share. I'm glad there's mutual respect between us. Insha'Allah one day Muslims & Christians can co-exist throughout the world in peace, love & harmony :) I admire your passion for Islam.



<b>You may search on the web, we have discussed John 1:1 with CC and other Christians guests here, so you can see my responses.</b>


Will do! Thanks Mate!



<b>Wael, the next time you see a Christian worshipping Mary, please do me a favour & tell them that they're in error! Worship is due to God alone.</b>


Don’t worry, I am working on it insha’Allah.


I should've mentioned this yesterday... Having a picture/statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary in your house (or any other Saint) isn't a sin. It's just like hanging family photos on the wall & acknowledging the people in them.



<b>The only thing Mary can do for Christians is intercede for us. </b>


Any reference from the Bible?


St John 2:1 (Wedding at Cana).



<b>So in actual fact, we aren't praying to Mary, we're asking her to pray for us</b>


Is she alive today to pray for you?


Yes! In Heaven (Revelation 12:1-18). I can barely interpret the book of Revelation due to its apocolyptic & symbolic language, so if you're going to attempt it, have a copy of the Catechism handy - just a helpful tip :)



<b>Rosary is a great prayer to pray to God WITH the Virgin Mary</b>


Do you have right to call her the mother of God during Rosary? Does the Bible give you the right to call her with this title? any reference from the Bible ?


St Luke 1:41-45. The Bible never contradicts reason. It took me a while but I kind of worked out this mystery using logic.



<b>One example is during the Last Supper (St Matthew 26:27)... "This is my blood of the Covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."</b>


You must not forget that Jesus (pbuh) also informs us that for him to tell a man that his sins are forgiven is much easier than to cure a paralytic and cause him to walk, and since Jesus (pbuh) had the power to cure paralytics, therefore, he demonstrates to us that forgiving sins is much easier for him.


But there's more to it, Wael! By dying for our sins, Jesus destroyed death & by His resurrection, He has restored our life. The New Covenant means that the gates of Heaven have now been opened.



<b>And as you know that God the father is greater than all human being,</b>


Amen!



<b>including Jesus</b>


In His humanity... Yes! In His divinity... the Son is equal to the Father! Jesus' humanity & divinity were united through the Incarnation. Jesus Christ is a Divine Person (Son of God) with a fully divine nature & a fully human nature. True God & True Man!



<b>you also know that Jesus pbuh <strong>have no power of his own</strong></b><strong>, and that all miracles that he performed </strong><b><strong>were the work of God alone</strong></b><strong>. </strong>


Jesus is God (but remember it's improper to say that God is Jesus).



<b>Maybe if you really prove that what has been said is false.</b>


Wael, all I ask for is that people reject Catholicism for what <i>is it </i> not for what it is <i>not</i>



<b>But sadly until today the Bible contains a lot of statements which are ambiguous and can be interpreted and understood in many different ways, not only among Muslims, but even the Christians themselves do not understand the Bible the same way. so the Truth that you are talking about can easily be verified when reading the Bible. "if you know what i mean"</b>


Sad but true! Hey, just so you know... before the Reformation (16th Century AD), all Christians held the same beliefs (but there were 2 traditions - East & West). Unfortunately, today there are approximately 50,000 different Christian denominations worldwide all teaching whatever they want - it's ridiculous! I guarantee you that the Catholic Church will stand the test of time! It's the only one that constantly gets attacked & targeted by Satan throughout the ages. Why? Because it's the true Church of Christ Jesus!



Take care, Wael!


I'm praying for you. Please pray for me too.


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