11-30-2006, 12:34 AM
Quote:Ruggedtouch, are you an atheist? Just so you know I am. However you do not have a true understanding of the real Islam. The 2nd in power in Iran has denounced suicide bombers and even stated that will not face paradise but instead the fire.
The suicide bombers are not the true reflection of Islam but instead fringe lunatics who are totally misguided.
I am glad you are here, you will find many loving responses and genuine concern over your well being. I have studied the Quran (at least a translation as I do not know arabic) and it is when performed correctly a religion of peace first.
If they claim to be of Islam and wish to harm others they are not listening to their prophet Muhammed (pbuh)
I am an atheist but do believe that in this world, as it stands, that humans do need religion and it has its virtues. It also has its detriments but overall it has brought a safety net over many humans.
Hello, V of R. Yes, I am an Atheist. Although, I don’t believe that materially affects my commenting on what are the endless litany of news reports of yet more atrocities carried out in the name of a certain deity.
As to any “true understanding” of “real” Islam, I hear that a lot. I’m also suspicious of your claim toward atheism while appearing to be quite the apologist for Islam. Let’s be honest, as a dhimmi under the true Moslem social order – and the only mechanism we have available with which to judge “real” Islam is the behavior of muslims – is a rather tenuous existence. Who is worthy of respect and indulgence in the eyes of the Muslim world? The Muslims are, because they live in submission to God's decree as elucidated in the Qur'an and sunnah. The unbelievers are the universal "enemies of God," who are reviled, and who are definitely not considered worthy of respect. The dhimmis (Jews and Christians allowed to live as second class citizens in Muslim lands™ are held in great contempt, and belittled at all times.
• <i>Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. </i>
• Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). And prepare against them with all armed force you can, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah, your enemies...
• When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads... That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoever opposes Allah and His messenger, Allah is severe in punishing.
• And we await for you that Allah will punish you at our hands. So wait; For we are waiting for you.
Otherwise, I’m not impressed by Iran’s 2nd in power claiming to have any special knowledge of who is worthy of hell and who is not. The only way to evaluate the veracity of an ideology is to examine the core documents of that ideology. Applying external standards does mean that we cannot ignore the very document(s) upon which the ideology is based. I’ll let you decide to live under the “true” precepts of an Islamic state or under the precepts of liberal Western Democracy.
Let’s examine the “fringe lunatics”, assertion, shall we?
For example, a poll published in the UK Times Online
recently, reveals some noteworthy sentiments coming out of Britain's Religion of Peace™ community.
Quote:A SIGNIFICANT minority of British Muslims believe they are at war with the rest of society, the largest poll of Muslims in this country suggests.
The Populus survey for The Times and ITV News has found that more than one in ten thinks that the men who carried out the London bombings of 7/7 should be regarded as “martyrs”. Sixteen per cent of British Muslims, equivalent to more than 150,000 adults, believe that while the attacks were wrong, the cause was right. ...
Assistant Met Commissioner Tariq Ghaffur, Britain’s most prominent Muslim policeman, said: “The poll shows that we do have a minority of people within our community who do effectively pose a danger.
“The tipping point between someone feeling anger and alienation and then engaging in the kind of atrocities we saw last July or being exploited by somebody who wants to commit a terrible act is very, very small.”
Nowhere near small enough, Tariq. London has already seen what four of a certain Deities holy warriors can do.
Quote:Populus interviewed 1,131 Muslim adults aged 18+ by telephone and online between June 1-16 for the poll.
It found that half of Muslims believe that Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war was the principal reason for the London bombings. An equal number (49 per cent) believe that further suicide bombings in the UK are likely.
Among the population as a whole nearly four in five (78 per cent) think a further attack is likely.
Some raw stats:
• 13% of British Muslims think that the four men who carried out the London Tube and bus bombings of July 7 2005 should be regarded as “martyrs”
• 7% agree that suicide attacks on civilians in the UK can be justified in some circumstances, rising to 16 per cent for a military target
• 16% of British Muslims say that while the attacks may have been wrong, the cause was right
• 16% would be “indifferent” if a family member decided to join al-Qaeda and two per cent would be proud
But you know, I'm probably being <i>islamophobic</i>™. After all, I'm sure that we'd be likely to find the same rough percentages of British Christians ready to condone or willingly participate in acts of civilian mass murder in the name of Christ and his (nonexistent) biblical doctrine of holy war.
Continuing, Lets state the Obvious:
A Pew Poll
has concluded with the shocking—<i>shocking!</i>—revelations that Muslims blame the infidel for all their problems, and Westerners have a healthy fear of winding up on the business end of the <i>Peaceful Inner Struggle™</i> of Islam.
Quote:The latest survey by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, conducted among roughly 14,000 people in 13 nations, finds that publics of predominantly Muslim nations have an aggrieved view of the West - they are much more likely than Americans or Western Europeans to blame Western policies for their own lack of prosperity. Generally, Muslim publics feel much more embittered toward people in the West than vice versa.
Large percentages in nearly every Muslim country attribute several negative traits to Westerners. In one of the survey's most striking findings, majorities in Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, and Jordan say that they do not believe groups of Arabs carried out the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Anti-Jewish sentiment remains overwhelming in predominantly Muslim countries.
For their part, Westerners are broadly skeptical of Muslim values. Many Westerners - including solid majorities of the general publics in Germany and Spain - say that there is a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society. And Westerners are less optimistic about the prospects for democracy in the Muslim world than are Muslims themselves.
But hey, the bombings in Bali, Madrid and London, the daily atrocities around the world committed to the droning intonation of “Allahu Akbar” – just a media problem.