11-23-2006, 12:36 AM
Quote:Bismillah:
I know, am not even expecting you to be impressed, my job only is to strive in delivering the message of Islam to you and to those who are not aware of it, and its up to you whether you accept the invitation or not.
That’s fine. I just prefer to embrace what is supportable and conforms to the facts.
Both the theist and the materialist require some level or faith or trust (respectively) in order to believe their worldviews are reality. The theist's theological faith is an acceptance of the existence of a divine being who via supernatural means establishes all of reality including the laws of nature and logic which allow for the existence of knowledge. The materialist relies on a priori logic that states that reality is self-caused, and empirical events allow for the existence of knowledge. For myself, I don't conceive of my atheism as a belief as much as I conceive it as a conclusion based on the asserted models out there and the lack of evidence to support those assertions. As an example, one can't really consider oneself as having the "belief that Santa doesn't exist". It's just a fact-- Santa doesn't exist, and only those who would assert he does are required to support the claim with evidence.
Until then, Gods, Demons, Jinn, etc., remain an unsupported, untested and unproved assertion that even those who embrace it admit cannot really be explained or defended.
Quote:now i quote what you just said earlier..
Aren’t you shy when you still calling evolution as a ‘theory’? It is a theory my friend, <b>not a FACT.</b>
Anyway, we shall not argue about this issue because we believe that if this universe was created, then Allah alone is the Creator, (Al Khalik) and if it was evolved, then He also alone is <b>the Evolver. Al Bari’</b>.
Those who deny evolution, that certain "grandeur in this view of life" as Darwin characterized it, should be granted a special exemption from the process predicated upon their self-evident inability to adapt and thrive. If you are incapable of recognizing the overwhelming evidence for evolution, it obviously missed you, so you're excused.
What I can do is provide overwhelming evidence, that evidence being provable, testable and verifiable that natural causes and events have fully rational and explainable causes. As for facts, I can point you to a hundred different web sites, authored by hundreds of scientists containing factual data on science, chemistry, evolution and physics. All can provide testable proof of natural explanations for naturally caused events. Evolution is a scientific fact as evidenced by overwhelming evidence. Dispute it all you want, there are plenty of websites that can be looked at exhaustively to show overwhelming evidence. Yes there are gaps in it, there is nothing wrong with that-- all knowledge comes to us in bits and pieces. Genesis is a religious claim by definition, and cannot be shown to have any evidence. This clearly and inarguably separates it from science. "God created this and that" is not science, it's a theistic claim.
Quote:Yes I did grow up in a Muslim country but I start practicing Islam <b>ONLY</b> when I moved to a Non Muslim country. So I am a Muslim because it does make sense to me, actually am a student of comparative religion, so Islam was my choice over all other religions that I’ve studied. not because i was raised in a Muslim family.
anyway, this is not our topic.
Salam
Wael
You inadvertently proved my point.