11-13-2006, 01:23 AM
Quote:Nope. All the nonsense is stuff you've said and which I've quoted. I'm sorry you don't like having to justify your posts, but that's generally what "debate" entails.
With the rabid purveyors of Quaranic “science miracles” especially desperate in their feeble flailing about, I thought that I might render them more docile, massaging the 'gator's belly, if you will, by portraying images of a positive, reassuring attitude defiant of manifest reality.
I <i>do</i> hope the following provides a modicum of solace, however fleeting.
“Mountains as pegs”, “lamps in the Sky”… no wonder the Moslem world is spiraling into the abyss.
I do not doubt that there are as many dozens of arguments for “<i>Mountains as pegs</i>”, “<i>lamps in the Sky</i>”, “<i>the quran as a science text</i>” and similar flights of fancy as there are believers in such nonsense. And to each of them, these arguments (“because I say so”) are sufficient. To claim that the arguments are logical as well is to grasp beyond the reach of logic.
Logic is a man-made construct. It has rules, provability axioms, and most essential to my argument, an incompleteness proven by Godel in the 1930s: In any logical system beyond the first order, it is possible to construct “undecidable” propositions. The existence of “<i>Mountains as pegs</i>”, “<i>lamps in the Sky</i>”, “<i>quran as a science text</i>” is not supportable or rational, except in the mind of the zealot.
While I'm sure there are many interpretations which will square your notion of the Quran with science, it is, if taken literally, absurd. I do not seek spiritual enlightenment in Darwin's "<i>Origin of Species</i>." Nor do I seek observation, hypothesis and experiment in quran. You do. I'm happy for you.
May I suggest you find enlightenment in the "Flat Earth Society".