Let the debate begin-Round One

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Bismillah:

Wow, that is totally not what's going on in that passage. Jesus is definitely NOT teaching that good works are a means to salvation. He's showing, in this passage, how impossible it is to attain salvation by works. These laws have to be followed perfectly in order to gain salvation, which they are not. By anyone.

All these ideas that are stuck in your mind are borrowed from<b> pagan religions</b> and have nothing to do with your Bible, you are interpreting the verses to suite your desire and going around one circle to prove your point but until now you have not answer my simple question. <b>Is there any unequivocal statement from Jesus himself where he said I am God therefore worship me? The answer is NO, but you can’t admit it. </b>

You see, he does nothing of his own. He does the will of the Father, which is the will of the Son, because they are one. Because they are one God.

In other words, he does the will of the Father, which is the will of the Son, <b>which is also the will of all previous Prophets, therefore they are also God.</b> What you just said again does not prove that he is God.

As regards your quote from Scripture on how to gain eternal life...that's the problem. In order to get eternal life, you have to follow that perfectly. You have to follow all the laws that God has ever given perfectly to the letter. The trouble is that nobody outside of God himself would ever be able to do that. Only God, with his perfection, would ever be able to keep God's law. Everyone else is lacking. If your salvation is dependent on you keeping that law, then you're in trouble. Jesus in that passage was showing the futility of trying to do enough good works to impress God. He had given that man a list of demands so big that he couldn't possibly meet them.
And is that what salvation rests on? Stuff we can't do? I certainly hope not.

Mathew 5:17


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: <b>I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. </b> 18 For verily I say unto you, <b>Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.</b> 19 <b>Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.</b> 20 For <b>I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven</b>.

And God the Father is greater than God the Son due to the state of humiliation that God the Son placed himself in during his time on Earth. That's why he gives the Father so much credit all the time. Jesus, as God on earth, could have changed the fibre of existence, could have ensured that he'd be freed from the cross, but did not. Because he was in a state of humiliation, as the willing atonement. The Father, in Heaven, was not in a state of humiliation, therefore, before the resurrection, Jesus had to perform miracles through license of his father, but after the resurrection, once the atonement was completed, the miracles were of his own.

one God on earth (Jesus) and one God in heaven (The Father), So they are not merged into one body as many explained or ....???

And to flip things around somewhat, I'd like to talk about the Qu'ran, if I may. Because in there, Jesus makes some clay birds, and gives them life, and they fly away. That, in my book, is called creation. And who does that? That is more than healing, or speaking truth, or raising the dead. That is giving life to the lifeless, forming something out of dust, and breathing life into it. I know it says "By God's leave" he did that, but my goodness...can anyone else in creation create? Can anyone in the system of the world use it like that? I would doubt it, but if you like, you can say that he was so favoured by God that HE COULD CREATE LIFE FROM NOTHING.
If that doesn't show divine power, then what does? He's making life from nothing.

You see <b>the Qur’an is so clear and pure</b>, the words <i>‘by God’s leave’ </i> ends any dispute. Most Christians argue that Jesus raised the dead and no one could do that except God himself. But in this case they must learn that <b>Ezekiel</b> who have raised many more dead bodies than Jesus ever did. But If you are looking for Godly powers and miracles as proof, <b>then you have to look at Joshua who is said to have stopped the sun and moon for one whole day</b>, Can anyone but God Almighty do this? Now I use your own words, <b>if that doesn't show divine power, then what does?</b> Now am still ready to hear your ‘own’ interpretation.


Salam


Wael