Bismillah:
Quote:wel_mel_2 your argument has shifted from "does the Trinity exist" to "Should Jesus be worshipped." I suppose you are trying to establish that if Jesus is not to be worshipped, then he is not part of the Trinity, and therefore the Trinity does not exist.
Both topics are related Steve… you believe in Trinity and that’s why you worship Jesus as "the second person" of Trinity. but did he teach Trinity? Did he order people to worship him? <b>No</b>… therefore there is no such thing called Trinity and so you should not worship him.
Quote:I find this a quite curious method of inquiry given the high regard Muhammed is held by Muslims. While he is not regarded as God, clearly his words are. Whereas in Jesus we have someone who God proclaims to be His son, and therefore more likely to speak witout error.
We honor Muhammad pbuh, follow his teaching, and obey him but we never worship him, simply because he is not God. But you guys went to the extreme by elevating Jesus to be a <b>'flesh-god' </b> and to be worshipped along with the One True God <b>while he commaded you to worship only the father.</b>
Quote:(Keep in mind that Jesus was born of a virgin, just as Abraham and Sarah were given a son in their older years. There is nothing difficult about God making a miracle is there?
I do believe that he was born of a virgin; I too believe that he was born miraculously without any male intervention. The main difference is that we Muslims worship the One True God, creator of the heavens and earth and all that exists, exclusively, <b>but you worship Jesus alongside the One True God</b>. while you worship Jesus, <b>we worship the Creator of Jesus</b>. Whereas you worship one who ate, drank, relieved himself in the bathroom, we worship the One who is <b>perfect in all His Attributes, free of all human needs</b>. God says about Himself: There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.
[Qur'an 42:11].
Quote:Also, Jesus says He does not bring peace, but division. You seem to be making His words come true by trying to find reasons to dispute His teaching.
The central narrative of the Bible is that men ignore the teachings of God and stone the prophets, and so God takes his revenge on the disobedient. I find the same narrative in the Qu'ran. Yet, men insist on seeking permission in the scripture to do the exact opposite of what it says. (The most common thing being to kill one another while serving in worship to a pagan symbol like a nation's flag.)
Absolutely wrong, Am trying to think with your mind, am really striving hard to understand <b>how did you believe in such concept while it is not clearly explained in your holy Book. </b>
Quote:Please answer me a basic question: Does man have a right to kill another man, either by the word of God or by the laws of man?
Am sorry, I am not in a position of giving an Islamic ruling or what we call it Fatwa regarding your question. I know that fighting was prescribed by God in the Qur’an against unbelievers <b>who show hostility towards Muslims, who persecuted them for years and kicked them out of their land </b> and so in certain cases killing might be justified, <b>the Bible also teaches the same thing</b>. But am not the one to decide such thing.
Allah knows best.
Salam
wael