Let the debate begin-Round One

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Bismillah:

Simple and hard? lol Thank you for pointing that out. I guess it could be confusing. eh?

aren't you confuse?

All great truths are simple and hard.

Oh please, you know well that Scholars of Christianity, Fathers and Bishops, Christian missionaries and preachers have tried all available means to justify this doctrine but after exhausting all known logics and human reasons they have failed miserably and declared it to be a “MYSTERY”


You really need to read the following, which are some statements given by the head of Churches, eminent Christian Theologians and known writers who came boldly to defend Trinity: guess what they say??

"The most Holy Trinity is a mystery in the strictest sense of the word. For reason alone cannot prove the existence of a Triune God, Revelation teaches it, And even after the existence of the mystery has been revealed to us, it remains IMPOSSIBLE for the human intellect to grasp how the Three Persons have put one Divine Nature."
Rev. J.F De Groot Catholic teaching P 101

Scholars Karl Rahner and Herbert Vorgimler stated in their Theological Dictionary that:

“The Trinity is a mystery in the strict sense, which could not be known without revelation, and even after revelation CANNOT become wholly INTELLIGIBLE”

“God is one, and God is three. Since there is nothing like this in creation, we ANNOT UNDERSTAND IT, but ONLY ACCEPT IT”
Monsignor Eugene Clark

"We know that it is very profound mystery, which we DON’T BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND”
Cardinal John O’Connor

"The INSCRUTABLE mystery of God is the Trinity”
Pope John Paul II

Are you still saying that it is VERY simple?


You can check the above quotations by yourself from the book titled “Should you believe in Trinity?”


You may or may not know that the apostolic fathers and those of the succeeding generations up to the last quarter of the 4th century CE, never have thought of a Triune God. Read by yourself what the new Catholic Encyclopedia said about Trinity:

"The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." New catholic Encyclopedia, “The Holy Triniry” Volume 14, p 299

The doctrine of the Trinity was coined by the Christians about ]three hundred years after Jesus. The four Canonical Gospels, written between 70 and 115 C.E., contain no reference to the Trinity. Even St. Paul, who imported many foreign ideas into Christianity, knew nothing of the Triune God. The New Catholic Encyclopaedia 4(bearing the Nhil Obstat and Imprimature, indicating official approval) admits that the doctrine of the Trinity was unknown to the early Christians and that it was formulated in the last quarter of the 4th century:

" If is difficult, in the second half of the 20th century to offer a clear, objective, and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evaluation, and theological elaboration of the mystery of the Trinity. Trinitarian discussion, Roman Catholic as well as other, presents a somewhat unsteady silhouette.
Two things have happened. There is the recognition on the part exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma 'one God in three persons' became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought."

At first the Christian faith was not Trinitarian . . It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the (New Testament) and other early Christian writings." (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics)

read what they say with an open mind and do your homework to find out about Trinity which was adopted from Pagan religions.

"The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the (Trinity) idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognized the Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One."
(The Paganism in Our Christianity)

The above statements plus many clear verses in the Bible shows that Trinity was not divinely inspired, then Why should anyone bother over a doctrine full of confusion when Christian scholars of the highest eminence are unable to interpret or explain it intelligibly?


Do you wanna hear more ?


Talking about the Hebrew Scriptures, The Encyclopedia of Religion admits:

"Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity".

And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says:

"The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament."

Talking about the Greek Scriptures The Encyclopedia of Religion says:

"Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain" an explicit doctrine of the Trinity.

esuit Forman states:

"The New Testament writers . . .give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons . . . .Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology similarly states:

"The (New Testament) does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity, 'The Bible lacks the expressed declaration that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence.' Protestant theologian Karl Barth'

"Historian Arthur Weigall Notes:

"Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord." "Paganismin Our Christianity"

I still have much to say about this issue. But it is enough for now.


Trinity is not simple as you said, and it is not even hard, it is impossible for human mind to understand and therefore it is man-made doctrine because the Bible said that God is not the author of confusion.


Salam


Wael