09-25-2006, 10:10 PM
Quote:Bismillah
I am glad that you deny being a prophet yet claiming to have the very characteristics that would make a person a prophet. It shows your inconsistancy and complete oblivion to reality.
Your statements are equivical to saying, "There is the sun."
Another then says, "So it is in the sky."
"No," you say, "I never said it was in the sky but there is the sun."
"So it provides light and heat."
"No. Why are saying I said this when all I pointed out was the sun?"
"By pointing out the sun then you are also acknowledging the properties that the sun has. That is how it is identified."
"No. I am just saying that the sun is there. I am not saying anything else."
"Then how do you know it is the sun if you do not even understand the very properties that the sun has?"
You have a message to give, this "Instruction," yet you deny messengership. If you are bringing something from Allah then it must be a message because He does not speak to us. (I am not speaking to you now. I am leaving a message.) If it is not a message then it cannot be from Allah because that is the only way He communicates with humanity.
If you have a message, then you are messenger and we all know there are no messengers after Muhammad saws.
So either way we cannot listen to you.
If you are a messenger, then we know there is no messenger after Muhammad saws.
If you are not a messenger, then there can be no message to give, so there is no point in listening to you.
As for those who sell the faith they owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter: Nor will Allah (Deign to) speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleans them (of sin): They shall have a grievous penalty.
There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (3:77-78)
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (3:85)
If you still want to debate and argue your "point," then know that I cannot beat you. I will not be able to overcome an arguement with someone who has divorced themselves from reason, with a person who ignores the very definitions of words in the language in which we debate.
Sayyidin Ali said, "Give me a learned person to debate and I will always win. Give me an ignorant person and he will beat me every time."
I did not say I was not a messenger, I am a messenger. I am a messenger who is not a prophet. The parable of my messengership is like the moon that reflects the light of the sun. The sun has given it's light and yet the moon gives its light but it is not the moon that is the source of the light. The moon is a witness to the sun. See how Allah makes parables that you might easily comprehend the truth.
Witness the Real excerpt:
Q7-7
DAY
There was evening and morning
a single day and the morning was
the latter part of the day and yet
at the end of the day the sun
sets. Yet we know now that we
are revolving around the sun
because it is the sun that is in a
fixed position and it neither rises
nor sets.
Yet, it appears to have done so
from our point of view. Just as
the moon revolves around the
earth, it appears to give light but
it is only reflecting the light of
the sun.
We now know the moon has no
life on it nor life in it although it
reflects the sun it is still the light
of the moon and we also know
that there are suns beyond
number in the universe. Yet, in
our solar system our life is
dependent on that sun which
gives us
life. Yet, it cannot truly be the sun that
gives us life for there is no light or life
on the moon and it is only 186
thousand miles or so from earth. What
gives the sun life is farther away and
the Father you go the closer you get
to what’s farther away. This is relative
for the atmosphere protects us from
the atmosphere. Male and female
GOD created He them in the
likeness and image Of GOD.
For a reflection imitates its origination
of source. A mirror does what is
reflected on to that surface, if it does
not, that is anything but a true mirror.
Now to love God is to love God with
all your heart, your soul and your mind.
Is not this the way God loves?