Bismillah:
Quote:Mel_Wel_2 wrote:
> unless we accept Jesus pbuh as our Lord and savior we are
> not going to receive the gift “The Holy Spirit”.
If you are attempting to describe what Christians believe, then you are incorrect.
According to the bible, the Gospel is the means by which the Holy Spirit offers us all the blessings of Christ and creates faith in us. So, the Holy Spirit is present in people prior to them accepting Christ. But as passages such as Matthew 12:32 show, it is possible for people to reject the message of the Holy Spirit ("the unforgivable sin").
Yes i was describing what Christians believe, "when they dont have answer to certain questions" , they immediately say <b>"because you dont have the Holy Spirit IN YOU, then you are not going to understand... you first must bow down to Jesus and ask him to save you, accept him as your personal Lord and Savior, believe that he was killed for your own sins and on the third day he was raised from the dead, THEN AND ONLY THEN EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE CLEAR
"</b> but before that, You are not in a position where you can <b>really</b> "<b>understand</b>". this is what most Chrsitians say.
on this website: God the Holy Spirit part two you read the following:
Quote:No one can say that Jesus is Lord <b>unless He is moved by the Holy Spirit </b>
[1 Corinthians 12:3]. So this Spirit abides in every one <b>who acknowledges that Jesus is Lord</b>
In other words, those who <b>do not </b>
acknowledge that Jesus is Lord <b>they do not have the Holy Spirit to teach them about Jesus as being Lord, savior etc...</b>
and this is exactly what CC meant when he say
Quote:To the Christian, who has the Holy Spirit, the meaning is clear.in other words, to <b>Non Christians, or to people who claim to be Christians</b> <b>BUT DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
</b> , the meaning is ambiguous and misleading. so don't blame me because i dont have the holy spirit <b>IN ME</b>.
on the same page we also read:
Quote:The Holy Spirit will teach us what we need to say, He reveals the Wisdom of God
, because He reveals the teachings of the Word of God into our hearts, He is also described as the Consoler and Advocate or The Paraclete [John 14:26]
So <b>unless you are blessed with the gift called 'holy spirit' </b> you are in way going to understand the concept of those ambigouse doctrine such as Trinity, Jesus' divinity, and the foolishness of God that paul was talking about etc...
Salam
Wael.